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Explain the Difference Between Zionists and the Israelites, Please.

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Anyone who believes in Jesus as their Lord and Savior is of Abraham's lineage and inheritance.  The old testament distinctions between Jew and Gentile are no more. As stated in Galatians 3.

All this nonsense about who/what is a jew/zionist is just "myths and endless genealogies" (see 1 Timothy 1:4)

As for those who allegedly are trying to destroy the world to bring about the end times:  Christians are called to be messengers of Christ and love their neighbors, not destroyers of man.  Satan is already destroying man and Christians don't need to help him.

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12 hours ago, WhiteHorse said:

Second of all Moses never entered the promised land ( Israel ) and was therefore no part of it but by lineage. I could keep on going but like you said ( novel/book). 

Excuses wont refute the fact that the protocols were propoganda. 

I see a lot of inconsistencies in your post. To me it’s like most post that lean towards anti-Semitic. You can sway the unstudied or overwhelm the (lazy). But for those who  are willing to dig past the rhetoric. There is truth gold to be dug. 

I am most certainly not "anti-Semitic" because I have never harbored ill-feelings toward
any Semitic peoples. You think about the definition thereof. Better yet, don't think. Learn. 
Concerning Moses:
Deuteronomy 34

Then Moses went up from the plains of Moab upon mount Nebo, to the top of Phasga over against Jericho: and the Lord shewed him all the land of Galaad as far as Dan.

And all Nephtali, and the land of Ephraim and Manasses, and all the land of Juda unto the furthermost sea,

And the south part, and the breadth of the plain of Jericho the city of palm trees as far as Segor.

And the Lord said to him: This is the land, for which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying: I will give it to thy seed. Thou hast seen it with thy eyes, and shalt not pass over to it.

And Moses the servant of the Lord died there, in the land of Moab, by the commandment of the Lord:

And he buried him in the valley of the land of Moab over against Phogor: and no man hath known of his sepulchre until this present day.

Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, neither were his teeth moved.

And the children of Israel mourned for him in the plains of Moab thirty days: and the days of their mourning in which they mourned for Moses were ended.

And Josue the son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom, because Moses had laid his hands upon him. And the children of Israel obeyed him, and did as the Lord commanded Moses.

10 And there arose no more a prophet in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,

11 In all the signs and wonders, which he sent by him, to do in the land of Egypt to Pharao, and to all his servants, and to his whole land,

12 And all the mighty hand, and great miracles, which Moses did before all Israel.

 

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Thanks snowball.  The people that Moses led to their land, under God's guidance, are the true Israelites.  Where they reside now is of question. Bibi, Biden and others who are Zionists, some self-admitted, are NOT of the chosen, led by Moses.

Moses is certainly an enigmatic figure, his Egyptian upbringing and stories about the possibility he was actually a Pharaoh.  But if our God and Creator instructed him to occupy the land He pointed out, so be it.  That is not permission to take over the entire globe.  Wasn't in the instructions.

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True Israelites are all who believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior, and ONLY those.

"But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but 'Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.' This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring." (Romans 9:6-8)

"I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:11-12)

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To Christian "zionists" who preach unbridled support of U.N.-israel ("israel" according to U.N. law, as opposed to Israel according to the Bible), how do you know you are not supporting the same cult of pharisees who persecuted and killed Jesus?  After all, during Jesus' time, secular law recognized the pagan pharisees as the legitimate Jewish govt, which Jesus preached against; and these wolf-in-sheep-clothing pagan "Jews" also lead Israel to idolatry and destruction over and over again in the Old Testament.  The current U.N.-israel govt also seems to be headed down the same pagan path, with pro-gay "tolerance" enforcement, govt-institutionalized molech sacrifice, and persecution of Christians.  And their "aliyah" and "who is a Jew" laws exactly resemble the ancient pharisees' obsessions with genealogy and rabbinical rituals, which Jesus and His followers preached against.

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The following is a long read, but a must read for anyone interested in this subject:  http://www.equip.org/article/modern-israel-in-bible-prophecy-promised-return-or-impending-exile/

Title:  Modern Israel in Bible Prophecy: Promised Return or Impending Exile?

Synopsis: 

"Many Christians in the United States believe that it is their biblical responsibility to support the contemporary Jewish State of Israel for specific theological reasons (as opposed to general political ones), a view known as Christian Zionism. The Pew Research Center put the figure at 63 percent for white evangelicals. This view holds that the regathering of Jewish people to Israel since 1948 is the miraculous fulfillment of God’s promises to Abraham to establish Israel as a nation forever in Palestine. Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind novels, together with books written by Hal Lindsey, Pat Robertson, and many others, which propound this view, have sold well over 100 million copies. Burgeoning Christian Zionist organizations such as the International Christian Embassy and Christians United for Israel wield immense influence on Capitol Hill, making Christian Zionism the largest single‐issue political lobby to come from Western Christianity. A growing number of Christians, however, are left increasingly uneasy about the idea that God would bring the Jewish people back to Palestine while they are in unbelief, since that was why they were exiled from it in the first place. The methods Israel has used, moreover, to colonize the land and subjugate the Palestinians— many of whom are Christians—do not match the picture of a God‐fearing Israel that Christian Zionists find in their literal interpretation of the ancient prophecies. An alternate interpretation is that the promises of land, like the laws of Moses, were part of the Old Covenant, which was fulfilled in the New Covenant. These Old Covenant shadows were realized in and through the substance of Jesus Christ and the church. Christian Zionists’ unconditional support of the current State of Israel would therefore be a misguided effort to separate Jews and Gentiles again, whom God joined together in the church, the body of Christ."

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One important type of cult strand to do research into is the creation of the Nazis. You go back into the Britain "Quattro Coronati" lodge movement developed by Charles Warren (among other things) He was the London Chief of police who "couldn't find" Jack-The Ripper. 
So, he's a huge mason and Quattro Coronati developed British Zionism. Many people think of Zionism as a Jewish idea/movement, it's actually not. It goes back to Lord Palmerston. He believed there needed to be a homeland for the Jews, yet the Jews had never heard of this idea.... 

The fact is Palmerston was a very high ranking Mason and also lead the gun votes against the Chinese when they tried to refuse the British opium addiction. He started the ball rolling; very shortly you start having more and more masons and the royal family with the "Duke of Kent" coming up with the concept and making up his own statement for the jews to come back to their "home land"
There is this whole series of individuals that were not jews and it was organized by the Quattro Coronati which is defined as a Head research Lodge.. Some of these ideas come from Judea and Palestine with artifacts to come up with ancient Israel. 

Strange enough, the same party came up with the Nazi party. John Yarker a 33rd Sovereign Mason Grand Master of QC and gave sanction to Helen Blavatsky, the originator of the "theodicy society" A bizarre occult. He is also the guy who created Aleister Crowely. Yarker came up with the idea of a new level - called the ancient and primitive rite. He wanted this expanded and gave Crowley OTO to basically absorb this new aspect of the QC idea... 

This gave the Aryan race concept and Blavatsky used the swastika from the Masons as a personal emblem. Two people who carried Blavastsky's book everywhere were Hitler and Elvis Presley. Practically 2 sides of the same coin. National socialism comes from her work and more work. This was called theodicy at the time and picked up by the famous Nazis. 

This is an area or research that really needs more energy. You have a lot of interweaving of these 3 unions with much relation. You knead up with a political movement and really look at how its funded and skull and bones funding Hitler. WW2 with such a script that was  vomiting. 
@Ukshep
 

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On 09/04/2018 at 2:28 PM, oldcynic said:

I would like to be educated here by those who know more than I.  What is the difference between God's Chosen People (Abraham's clan) who I consider the Israelites, and today's Zionists.  There must be a differential between the two groups.  Does it have anything to do with the twelve separate tribes?

Are all Jews Zionists or are all Zionists Jews?  Please set me straight.

There should be no difference between a zionist and a jew  - What you are talking about is a nationality vs a religion and I am not sure why? The Jewish homeland is Israel - If there is a jew who classed themselves as non zionist then how the hell can they call themselves jews if they do not believe jews should have their own homeland. 

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