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Flat Earth Research -- Rough Draft

82 posts in this topic


FE Research, Links to pertinent videos, photos, articles


Post 1 is a basic outline with main topics and links to online sources.

Post 2 lists websites and books which analyze Flat Earth topics.

Post 3 is Rothbard's extensive analysis of main arguments that support Flat Earth Theory.




This thread will collect data to explore the flat earth theory.

Posters who want to add or revise information can contact me here or the FE discussion thread:

http://www.conspiracyoutpost.com/topic/2303-nasa-says-earth-is-round-wheres-the-proof/ . It is meant to be a user-friendly ready reference guide that keeps up with the latest sources of information. This is a very early rough draft which will need constant re-organization and editing. I appreciate your input, guys. 



Model: Heliocentric (Globe Earth): Rotation causes days, Revolution around the sun creates years 

• animation, "The helical model - our solar system is a vortex," https://youtu.be/0jHsq36_NTU

• earth's speed, as it rotates, revolves around the sun, and moves through the universe in 6 different directions (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Speed_of_Earth.html)

  ○ 69,361 MPH Spin and Orbit 

  ○ 43,200 MPH Towards Lambda Herculis 

  ○ 15,624 MPH Perpendicular to Galactic Plane 

  ○ 446,400 MPH Orbiting the Galactic Center {or Galactic Spin Rate} 


574,585 MPH Speed of Earth within Our Galaxy

So for every hour, your planet is moving half a million miles, and in several directions…

[Add] 1,339,200 MPH to the calculations. This is the speed the galaxy is moving through the universe. 

[In one year, the earth's Milky Way galaxy travels 11,731,920,000 miles, ~11.5 billion miles]

• speed and distance of stars,  measured in parsecs: "one parsec is equal to about 3.26 light-years (31 trillion kilometres or 19 trillion miles) in length. The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is about 1.3 parsecs from the Sun," http://www.bing.com/search?q=parsec&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB

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Flat Earth Theory, Summaries, General Information

IMPORTANT NOTICE: the following quotation can NOT be credited to Nikola Tesla, the engineering genius who designed our alternating current electrical system. An anonymous author wrote it to express what some Flat Earth proponents think is the mechanism which powers the earth and its sun and moon. Readers will please excuse its inclusion in an otherwise science-based analysis.

•Geocentric (Flat Earth): Sun and moon circle around Tropics, creating day & night, Seasons; See also -- Solar System/Sun, below. (Note, all models presented here are inexact illustrations of basic motions)


Electric Universe Theory, explains how earth and celestial objects function as an electrical system

  1. Mount Meru Magnetic Mountain at the North Pole," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNudvfIzNz0

Model: Earth's form and surface (flat surface, encompassed by Antarctic edge, stationary, geocentric system), maps, navigation 

  1. video, Flat Earth Planisphere: Earth's true form and the flat earth positioning system  https://youtu.be/8TAJpRfyCdc 
  2. video, MrThriveandSurvive, Flat Earth Basic Q&A - https://youtu.be/ZzQmGJp18uw
  3. video, Mark Sargent, Flat Earth Clues Interview 1 -  https://youtu.be/Tx1FMHM_wbU
  4. video,  K-Talk Taboo Conspiracy Thursday - NASA Fakery & Flat Earth with Mark Sargent, https://youtu.be/wEBILCLkV_k
  5. video, Flat Earth Podcast with Eric Dubay and Mark Knight, https://youtu.be/f5aB6oThGK8
  6. video, Matt Boylan, Flat earth conspiracy wikileaks nasa (Published July 13, 2012)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TOYm90Xddc
  7. video, Deepest Hole Ever Drilled - Secret and Surprising Findings https://youtu.be/bLLxfwgEbM0 
  8. map and article, "Charles Hapgood's Theory of Crustal Displacement," http://www.crystalinks.com/mapantarcticabuache.jpg,  http://www.crystalinks.com/crustal.html 
  9. article, The Shape of the Earth," 
  10. http://mtm.ufsc.br/~cmdoria/disciplinas/anteriores/Variedades/artigos/ShapeOfEarth.html
  11. video, "The Deepest Hole in the World," https://youtu.be/zz6v6OfoQvs
  12. video, "FLAT EARTH WATCH!!! ANTARCTICA IS UPTURNED EDGES!!!,"           https://youtu.be/z-c7nqWeA-Y (see also, relief map showing altitude of Antarctica,  Greenland, ocean floors):http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/2minrelief.html


Maps and models of alternate earth forms

  1. Flat Earth Maps, http://www.flat-earther.co.uk/flat-earth-maps/
  2. newspaper image, "Was this World Map Made Centures Ago?,  https://www.facebook.com/fematters/photos/pb.439175856282154.-2207520000.1463346479./500168383516234/?type=3&theater
  3. image and video in article, JFK's situation room in 1962,  https://i2.wp.com/www.whitehousemuseum.org/west-wing/situation-room/situation-room-1962-office-2.jpg,                   https://conspiracyatwork.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/conspiracy-flat-earth-map-in-the-white-house/
  4. image, Hollow Earth,"Agharta," http://www.thenewearth.org/MAP of Inner Earth .jpg
  5. Pyramid control system and eye imagery,  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/74/b4/96/74b496fe96dbe77570502def08d57f4b.jpg
  6. Eyeball sculpture at Vatican, http://www.viewzone.com/he2-4.gif
  7. artist's impression, Dyson sphere http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DyjgqLbLDEE/Ti-OYdDOX7I/AAAAAAAAAn8/oG3kqUsMH18/s1600/Dyson%2Bsphere.png
  8. video and map of land outside Antarctica, "Is This the 2nd Biggest Conspiracy of All - The recent rise of the Flat Earth Movement," https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=hC-1kRQtSKg

Ancient cultures cosomology and word views

  1. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tqmH3B80WW4/Tz6LYwjKWzI/AAAAAAAABPE/4WcL0VeUd9c/s1600/sumerian.jpg
  2. https://traveltoeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/wpid-Photo-Oct-6-2012-831-PM.jpg
  3. http://www.nhn.ou.edu/~jeffery/astro/mesopotamia/babylonian_cosmos.png2
  4. image, http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/hl4f954dbd.jpg

Curvature calculations for spherical earth

  1. Earth Curve Calculator, http://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html
  2. Visual Line of Sight Calculations dependent on Earth's Curvature http://www.davidsenesac.com/Information/line_of_sight.html
  3. Circle Sphere Earth Math Calculator, http://www.easysurf.cc/circle.htm#cetol1
  4. table of curvature to 100 miles, http://i60.tinypic.com/2q80apl.png
  5. Compute the Distance to the Horizon,  http://boatsafe.com/tools/horizon.htm
  6. Earth Curvature for Highpointers, http://www.cohp.org/local_curvature.htm


Confirmations of no curvature: photographers, surveyors, military radar operator, airplane pilots, other professionals*

    • Exhibit 1 - No Visible Curvature                                                                                                                         • Exhibit 4 - Airline and Submarine Pilots Do Not Account for Curvature                                                     • Exhibit 5 - Artillerymen, Naval Gunners, Air Traffic Controllers, Railroad and Industrial,                           Engineers, Surveyors, et al. Do Not Account for Curvature                                                                          • Exhibit 6 - The Cover-Up 

  1. article, "More Government Documents referring to a Flat Earth; NASA Reference Publication which refers to 'a stationary atmosphere over a flat, nonrotating earth,'"   http://whotfetw.com/blog/?p=104
  2. video, "We all fly over a FLAT EARTH," -- SW24," https://youtu.be/8TL30VW5hJY
  3. video, "Air Traffic Controller meets Flight Instructor on a Flat Earth - SW4 (Start at 2:30)   http:// https://youtu.be/-jML1pH0CX0
  4. videos showing jet planes not adjusting for curvature                                                                        • "Airforce Jet Training Proves Flat Earth," https://youtu.be/QYXTL9quoUM                                • "Airplanes on a Spherical Earth: Flat Earth," https://youtu.be/Gy0TpQo4BJY
  5. image with summary, "Pilots Never Account for Curvature," https://m.facebook.com/fematters/photos/a.439888952877511.1073741828.439175856282154/489419371257802/?type=3&source=54
  6. image and article, "Pilots Never Account for Curvature,"  https://m.facebook.com/fematters/photos/a.439888952877511.1073741828.439175856282154/489419371257802/?type=3&source=48
  7. article, - Robert Simmon - AKA Mr. Blue Marble - Conversations with Goddard,"  https://www.voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/749377
  8. article, NASA Technical Reports Server, "Flat-Earth modeling is a desirable alternative to the complex spherical-Earth modeling process,"                          http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jspR=19850023280&hterms=flat+earth&qs=Nm%3D123%7CCollection%7CNASA%2520STI%7C%7C17%7CCollection%7CNACA%26Ntx%3Dmode%2Bmatchallany%26Ntk%3DAll%26N%3D0%26Ntt%3D%2522flat%2Bearth%2522
  9. article (National Reconnaissance Office website), search results for "flat earth,"          http://www.nro.gov/search.htmlcx=015590104425676775007%3Agytvgaaswoc&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=flatearth&sa=
  10. quotation about "flat nonrotating earth," from Ames Research Center, NASA,  http://i.imgur.com/UZH7OK0.png, which appears in this document,  http://www.academia.edu/8258142/AIRCRAFT_FLIGHT_DYNAMICS_AND_CONTROL_Wayne_Durham 
  11. images from Sears Tower in Chicago,                                                                                                     •http://i67.tinypic.com/aervxu.jpg              • http://i63.tinypic.com/19pnpd.jpg
  12. video, Rothbard's Mirror Experiment, repeating Rowbotham's Bedford Canal Experiment,    https://youtu.be/JJ3rYsddiV0
  13. video, Rothbard's "Bonneville Salt Flats Curvature Experiment, https://youtu.be/afkT3f6sZuc
  14. video, "See Oahu Sunrise from Kauai," [distance of 100 miles], https://youtu.be/SfTAn6NrGaY
  15. article, world's longest aqueduct [should be impossible for water to run downhill on a globe],    http://m.spiegel.de/international/world/a-612718.html#spRedirectedFrom=www&referrrer=http://www.conspiracyoutpost.com/topic/2303-nasa-says-earth-is-round-wheres-the-proof/?page=403 
  16. image, aqueduct [see above article],  http://www.spiegel.de/pics/37/0,1020,1461337,00.jpg
  17. video, (Triangulating with Google maps to prove equidistant cities), "Flat Earth BUSTS Google Earth! (Prove It Yourself) MrThriveAndSurvive,  https://youtu.be/HuKTENd1wTc
  18. video, "How to Remove Fisheye from GoPro Hero Videos," https://youtu.be/3iIAPmzFH-Y
  19. image, statement and picture of Dr. August Piccard, who described the earth as seen from the stratosphere as a flat disk with an upturned edge,  https://m.facebook.com/fematters/photos/a.439888952877511.1073741828.439175856282154/515061348693604/?type=3
  20. video, "Flat Earth Double Proof" and photograph of Mount Rainier from Mount Brunswick at 193.8 miles away, https://youtu.be/LMYx-Ft8b6c
  21. video, "The Flat Earth - Astonishing Confessions," (Gyroscopes) https://youtu.be/j2E832dI42A
  22. video, view of New Orleans from across Lake Pontchartrain,     https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=02y4wkEFxPo
  23. image, Lake Pontchartrain Causeway, 23.87 miles long, 380 feet of missing curvature, https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12698459_462795033920236_8668119608642346417_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9

Views of Earth and/or Moon from Space

  1. text summary, Post #3 below,                                                                                                          •Exhibit 2 - No Photos of Earth from Space                                                                                      •Exhibit 15 - The Horizon Remains at Eye Level No Matter How High You Go Up
  2. video, "Apollo 11 Moon Landing Hoax; Camera/Video footage tricks,"   https://youtu.be/G5N2eLICRdk
  3. article, "Data Visualizer and Designer Robert Simmon never thought that he would become “Mr. Blue Marble," (scroll to bottom of page)                                                       http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/about/people/RSimmon.html
  4. video, Red Bull dive, https://youtu.be/eBYNfkZyGFU
  5. ☆☆☆ animation, EPIC far side transit of moon in July 2015,  http://i2.wp.com/www.universetoday.com/wpcontent/uploads/2015/08/dscovrepicmoontransitfull.gif?resize=985%2C554, and video, http://youtu.be/URFrfNTkFSM
  6. video, "V-2 Rocket Films Earth (1946)", https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Sykfqa3MKAg
  7. image and article, "View of Earth from a camera on V-2 #13, launched October 24, 1946,"http://www.airspacemag.com/space/the-first-photo-from-space-13721411/; image, http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/33/d1/33d15156-47cd-4307-9c23-e3c8498539f5/1stphotofromspacejpg__600x0_q85_upscale.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpg
  8. image, NASA, #68-HC-870, Apollo 8 view of rising earth, straight edge added to observe moon's horizon, http://i.imgur.com/mXDWr33.jpg
  9. image with AutoCad straight edge, from photo above, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ez5p73p6RIU/Vp8BOPzqIDI/AAAAAAAAAdo/42U53WXeotA/s400/BOTH.JPG
  10. ☆☆☆ image, dogcam balloon at 20 miles, view from Mt. Everest,  http://www.whale.to/c/flat-earth-horizon-flat.jpg
  11.  video, "Sexy clouds" Earth -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc7FvDnKEG
  12. video, "FLAT EARTH VIEW FROM 317 000 feet - 96 km (NASA footage),"  https://youtu.be/l7BhcufC-5Y
  13. image, "Come on, Nasa, make up your mind. What does earth really look like?"  http://api.ning.com/files/SdKs0vditdbbDeZvYiEnj*xWbxtOOFgb-532SWcLg0f5spBphmev75oGoXCC1wWX510WPUkxUxBJxr3JaHUesSyYR5KUdK*s/NASAsdifferentEarthspheres.png?width=450
  14. image, differing size of US                    • http://4.bp.blogspot.com/brb1mKx00ps/T5BgWGDc_wI/AAAAAAAAAJU/qbS45HzIfY/s1600/bull+nasa+image.jpg                                                                                                       • http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g327/samuel_adams1/how%20big%20is%20america%20nasa%20outlined.jpg
  15. image, 6 earth views from increasing altitudes, http://i.imgur.com/WU4huSq.png
  16. image, 8 views of earth from 1967 to 2015,                                                                https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/10400529_469035413296198_2794825867189002207_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=030bdb401eb7ec6d8b101d8cd5a33286&oe=57730689
  17. ☆☆☆image, earth as seen from the moon in 1969 compared to 2015,  https://m.facebook.com/fematters/#!/fematters/photos/a.439888952877511.1073741828.439175856282154/469756279890778/?type=3&source=48&__tn__=E

Pole, Magnetism, Compass Navigation, Calculating distances

  1. article, "Aviation (Flat Earth)," http://www.whale.to/c/long_haul_flights.html
  2. article, "Rick's Flat Earth Proof [comparing distances by longitude],  http://fakeologist.com/2015/04/19/ricks-flat-earth-proof/
  3. images and article, "Ley Lines on Flat Earth,"   https://flatgeocentricearth.wordpress.com/2015/12/02/ley-lines-on-the-flat-earth/ 

Earth's Movement or Lack Thereof

  1. article, "The Earth Is Not Moving," (The Michelson-Morley Experiment/Airey's Failure),   http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2011/11/earth-is-not-moving.html
  2. video, "The stationary earth (pt2),freeanergy, http://youtu.be/Xr1nIswu3YE
  3. articles, "Mathematical mysteries: Foucault's pendulum and the eclipse," • https://plus.maths.org/content/mathematical-mysteries-foucaults-pendulum-and-eclipse • http://www.faidherbe.org/~foucault/fichiers/pdf/theorie_allais_articles_2003.pdf
  4. video about worldwide reports of the sun standing still in biblical times, "Joshua's Long Day,"  https://youtu.be/O0h5jYLvatM

Antarctica & Arctic

  1. text summary, Post #3 below                                                                                                                   •Exhibit 17 - Admiral Byrd 
  2. image: photograph of hole at the North Pole,  https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th&id=OIP.M70a6ac366aa7e4ab113829a875283b69o0&w=256&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
  3. article and maps, "Rick Potvin's Virtual Circumnavigation of Antarctica to Decide if Earth is Global or Flat,"                                                                                                               http://rickpotvinflatearth.blogspot.com/2015/05/aerial-circumnavigation-of-antarctica.html
  4. article with video, http://www.ancientdestructions.com/piri-reis-map-of-antarctica/
  5. article, "Hapgood’s Theory of Earth Crust Displacement,"  http://www.skrause.org/writing/papers/hapgood_and_ecd.shtml
  6. map, "1763 Buache Map of the Antarctic Continent or South Pole,"              http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/assets/images/Buache.gif                       http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/buache_map_examined.html
  7. article and map, "Oronteus Finaeus map Antarctica ice free!"  http://www.ancientdestructions.com/oronteus-finaeus-map-antarctica-fineus/
  8. video, debunks video claiming midnight sun in Antarctica,  http://Antarctica 24 hour sun DISPROVES the Flat Earth
  9. video,"Flat Earth - Antarctica 24 Hour Daylight,"  https://youtu.be/Eem_Yv9a0I8
  10. video, "Admiral Richard E. Byrd - South Pole Video Interview,"   https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czW0iRJuH1A#
  11. video, "Ancient Pyramids/Antarctica!" http:// https://youtu.be/jg0WDtDUGMg
  12. video, "Antarctica is NOT a continent," Antarctica is NOT a continent. Tiger Dan Jumped Ship,"   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrP1TtVPUoU
  13. video, "The Arctic and Antarctic Prove Flat Earth,"   https://youtu.be/ckxLruRc0xA
  14. image, Admiral Byrd 's Freemason history,  http://i2.wp.com/www.themoderngnostic.com/wpcontent/uploads/2016/04/addtext_com_mty0nziymzexodqx.jpg?zoom=2&fit=346%2C432

Airplane Flights Consistent with Flat Earth

  1. video, Emergency birth proves the Earth is FLAT,                             https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnNh7HZ7rI
  2. map showing flight path for flat earth baby, https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1013102325397525&set=p.1013102325397525&type=3&theater
  3. http://www.whale.to/c/long_haul_flights.html
  4. image, No Flight Plans in the Southern Hemisphere, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QYJXIlT_TB4/VVlQN9yVSlI/AAAAAAAAEHg/2hZ4PbYvHdw/s1600/antarctica%2Bblog%2B-%2Bairline%2Bflight%2Bpaths%2Ball%2Bin%2Bn.%2Bhemisphere.jpg; from article,  http://rickpotvinflatearth.blogspot.com/2015/05/some-interesting-diagrams-and-photos-to.html
  5. maps, flight plan from Africa to Australia,   http://res.cloudinary.com/dxr7zaefl/image/upload/c_scale,w_738/v1432146183/Flat-Earth-Cape-Town-to-Sydney_d645jq.jpg

Temperature, Atmosphere, and Weather

  1. video, Balls Out Physics Episode 4.1: Virgin Galactic, Telecom, & Thermal Radiation, Brian Mullin,  https://youtu.be/J546LPkcUZM
  2. text summary, Post #3 below: Exhibit 11 - Weather Patterns and Jet Streams Fit Perfectly on a Flat Earth
  3. video, "Flat Earth Atmosphere Questuon," http://player.mashpedia.com/player.php?q=nST2btUA3Ck
  4. See Post #3 below:
  • Exhibit 7 - The Vacuum of Space Against the Atmosphere 
  •  Exhibit 8 - Fluid Dynamics vs. the Atmosphere Wheel



1. article, "The tsunami mode of a flat earth and its excitation by earthquake sources," http://gji.oxfordjournals.org/content/77/1/1

2. article and maps of the Ring of Fire,  https://flatgeocentricearth.wordpress.com/2015/12/04/ring-of-fire-earthquakes-on-the-flat-earth/

the Aether

  1. video, Earth Has Never Moved & The Truth About The Aether,        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN7v80q2H7g


Water & tides

  1. text summary Post #3:  •Exhibit 3 - Water Seeks Its Own Level                                                                                       
  2. article, The Atlantean Conspiracy," entry for Nov. 22, 2014, http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2014/11/the-flat-earth-conspiracy.html
  3. video, "Science's 'Tides for Idiots & Morons,'" https://youtu.be/5yiklY0AjNc
  4. video,  "Flat Earth - Tides," FlatWater Backup Channel, http://youtu.be/zwopEk0DZnk
  5. animation, wind and waves in Azimuthal Equidistant mode, http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/azimuthal_equidistant
  6.  *** video, "What Causes Tides? (electric energies between sun, moon, and earth), https://youtu.be/xySivcw0jr0
  7. video, "Cause of the Tides," https://youtu.be/ZgyV5Pgrdmo


  1. article, http://www.wildheretic.com/there-is-glass-in-the-sky/
  2. video, "Scientists discover Earth’s Star Trek style invisible shield (The Firmament Glass Sky),"  http://youtu.be/mT4Xz2c2ItA
  3. video, "Enoch's Domed World," https://youtu.be/R-Jpr3kGQXM

Perspective: horizon & visibility of distant objects

  1. images, 10 Lighthouses of the World Prove The Earth is A Flat Plane, https://www.endalldisease.com/10-lighthouses-of-the-world-prove-the-earth-is-flat/
  2. image, "Proof 76, From Genoa, Italy, Islands," (1) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3BNe3todgcM/Vb-SG7txWlI/AAAAAAAAQBs/WKAGycSMy1E/s400/genova.jpg,   http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html   
  3. image, Proof 71, "Chicago Skyline from Across Lake Michigan,"         http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KvI8YmldH1k/Vb-RN3eOU5I/AAAAAAAAQBQ/-lfSkWXvfy8/s1600/11035683_702251386553055_8670428708932061960_n.jpg, http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html
  4. video, red boat   http://youtu.be/awCx5ob04ZY
  5. video, Boats Prove No Curvature - Earth is Flat, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEqDbsPUgH8&index=22&list=PL8R7sUt1fYkDRv7Xw0Rh43F_-QJ1O5jjR
  6. video, Flat Earth - The Wellington Harbour Curvature Test, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Umhx25-8g
  7. video, Night Piloting Ships & Lighthouses Prove Flat Earth,  https://youtu.be/v1ghbNISeW0
  8. video, EARTH IS 100% FLAT 3 EXAMPLES, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExcBMb0Dh3Y&index=86&list=PL8R7sUt1fYkDRv7Xw0Rh43F_-QJ1O5jjR
  9. video, Flat Earth Proof 3 - Land Ho!, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLOT3Tqi-Qf
  10. video, "Stinky Cash, FLAT EARTH - Perspective and Horizons EXPLAINED," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj1AIZuUd_o

Science or Scientism

  1. video, " Bill Gaede explains scientism, mathmagicians and how dogma is sold as SCIENCE.      https://youtu.be/rCL72cOmw8o


Coriolis Effect

  1. video, Mr. Thrive and Survive   https://youtu.be/Wg2deAEhoF4
  2. image, http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p264/Nojaru/thecorioliseffect.jpg


  1. text summary, Post #3 below:                                                                                                    Exhibit 10 - No Change of Weight From the Equator to the North Pole
  2. article, WaykiWayki, Gravity Does Not Exist, http://www.waykiwayki.com/2015/07/flat-earth-gravity-is-hoax.html
  3. video, "Wallace Thornhill: The Long Path to Understanding Gravity | EU2015,"  https://youtu.be/YkWiBxWieQU
  4. videos, "Flat Earth and Gravity Delusion, 2 parts," https://youtu.be/WorFu8sV9o
  5. article and images, "Gravity Depends on Mass and Distance and Nothing Else, http://www.themoderngnostic.com/?page_id=56426
  6. image, "How Earth's Non-vacuum Meets With the Vacuum of Space," https://planetruthblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/flat-earth-memes-78-11.jpg?w=870&h=265

Solar System: sun, moon, planets, comets, asteroids, meteors

 Sun, Sunlight, Seasons

  1. text summary, Post #3 below:  Exhibit 9 - No Worldwide Change of Stars When the Earth is at Opposite Sides of the Solar System
  2. article, sun standing still and earth reversing rotation,      http://tmgnow.com/repository/secret/velikovsky2.html
  3. * video showing sunset, with the sun shrinking on a false horizon,  https://youtu.be/F_n7z5G9vn8
  4. animation, passage of sun and moon,     • http://rs23.pbsrc.com/albums/b382/qpiine/Flat Earth/tempwn0.gifw=480&h=480&fit=clip   • http://wiki.tfes.org/images/7/70/SunAnimation.gif
  5. video showing a void of light, "130,000 feet. The sun is close and earth is flat,"  https://youtu.be/CxSJwiUoX2U
  6. images, Crepuscular Sun's Rays to calculate the sun's altitude,  •https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kMdCAhoH1ns/hqdefault.jpg •http://www.trade2win.com/boards/attachments/trading-journals/185440d1424033149-my-journal-3-crepuscular1606_650x488.jpg
  7. video, "Day and night side by side on a FLAT EARTH,"   https://youtu.be/BLV3QnMYjZc
  8. image and comment that earth's movements do not account for star paths,   https://i.ytimg.com/vi/afsb39_6QF0/hqdefault.jpg
  9. video, "Sunset Time Lapse From an Airplane - Negative Version," https://youtu.be/CcS6w4v3LQs 
  10. article and video, " Eric Dollard," http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2013/01/31/is-the-sun-dying-eric-dollard-reveals-3-secrets-about-the-sun/
  11. video,  "Flat Earth in plane site," https://youtu.be/C34zhMwHMcA
  12. video, size of sun, "Sunset Time Lapse from an Airplane Newark to Moscow in 4 Minutes," http://youtu.be/7aA0yfQkfqw
  13. video, "Heliocentric model DEBUNKED With Evidence," https://youtu.be/2lX-ZslGYrk
  14. image, sunlight patterns by season, http://i40.tinypic.com/1zp48dh.jpg
  15. video, "'Southern' Stars Finally Explained," https://youtu.be/_uSUj2Y3Ono
  16. video, "The Antarctica Magnet," http:// https://youtu.be/CWkjpXrf_N8 https://youtu.be/CWkjpXrf_N8
  17. article, stellar parallax, http://www.zengardner.com/heliocentrism-dead-no-stellar-parallax/
  18. video, "Zag-Zag Missing "Absolutely" Proves A Geocentric Earth (Sun revolves around Earth)," https://youtu.be/2paMX8al9vY
  19. image, calculation for 3000-mile distance to the sun,   http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/flat/flat1.gif,  which appears in "The Flat Earth" article, http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimane/flat/flateart.htm
  20. article and images, "Basic Trigonometry to Calculate Distance of the Sun from FE Earth," https://aplanetruth.info/2016/04/28/basic-trigonometry-to-calculate-distance-of-the-sun-from-fe-earth/
  21. video, "Flat Earth: Evidence of the Sun's Path" (including a solar radiation map and sun's effects on biomes),   https://youtu.be/8BEvcpwIOLU
  22. video, "The Sun Sets Just Fine on a Flat Earth - The Maths Are Wrong,"  https://youtu.be/W0Gx1vD1CRE
  23. video, "Sun, Moon & Earth Coincidences,"   https://youtu.be/k5h_qoHCn7k
  24. video, [Sundials] "Light and Shadows Prove the Flat Earth,"  https://youtu.be/CbRIbIeKj7E
  25. video, "The Dome Earth: an ELECTROLYTIC Battery," suggests how the sun moves by electromagnetic levitation, https://youtu.be/5XoqrJW1lhU
  26. video (2 minutes),  "ACOUSTIC LEVITATION - 3D Mid-Air Acoustic Manipulation (2014),)  https://youtu.be/dhYFgDCsYMg


Moon, its size and distance from earth, a solid sphere or transparent disk

  1. text summary, Post #3 below:  • Exhibit 16 - Moonlight is Cold and Uniform
  2. video, exposes absurdity of the official distance to the moon, "100% Undeniable Proof the Moon is Close & NASA Lies,"  https://youtu.be/0aNEuXmGW2Q
  3. article/discussion, moon craters as pits made by electrical arc discharge,  http://www.fefriends.com/discussion.php?topic=2808&page=1&pos=2
  4. article, "The Moon: An Unexplained Phenomenon,"  http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=26468
  5. article, "The Lunar Eclipse" [and the Shadow Object],             http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lunar+Eclipse
  6. article, "Moon Transparent," http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za63.htm
  7. video, "The Flat Moon Over the Flat Earth," (stars and planets visible through moon's surface), https://youtu.be/fH7BjIzXWOg
  8. animation, "The moon 9-20-2015,"  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e41_1442877023
  9. video, WaykiWayki Flat Earth - The Moon - Old Malfunctioning Sun - Cataclysm     http://youtu.be/udROktSKYA4Shadows & Eclipses
  10. free e-book, http://www.waykiwayki.com/2015/07/flat-earth-advanced-moon-free-ebook.html
  11. image, Astronaut on moon with Flag and tiny Earth in Background,    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_04kZGR_ltmE/Ssj9_izSc8I/AAAAAAAAExA/_6MZA8gkh0A/s1600/Astronaut_Harrison_%27Jack%27_Schmitt,_American_Flag,_and_Earth_%28Apollo_17_EVA-1%29.jpg
  12. image, sizes of moon and Earth, http://s3.postimg.org/gjutiuw0m/earth_moon_size.gif
  13. image, observations of moon from opposing hemispheres,   http://guanolad.com/stuff/moon_orientation.jpg
  14. video showing spin of moon, "Moon As Directional Luminary Circling Flat Earth,"  https://youtu.be/yCXM5MyQtug
  15. video, "FLAT EARTH DENIERS HATE THIS ONE THE MOST" (shows how the moon should not be visible on both sides of the globe at the same time),   https://youtu.be/q-V5_GFnvuk



  1. video, "Planets Don't Exist! Flat Earth TRUTH Revealed,"  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jM1Ano--UYM
  2. article, Retrograde Movements of Planets, http://wiki.tfes.org/Planets
  3. video, "NASA's Fake CGI Ball Planets," https://youtu.be/q8tIm-fxE_s
  4. video, "The Real Venus Above Flat Earth,"   https://youtu.be/Jp1TxJhHpZQ
  5. images, multiple, "Frequency of the Heavens: Cymatics, Bio & Sonoluminescence, actual stars and planets,"  http://whotfetw.com/blog/?paged=2


Eclipses, Selenelions/Selenehelions, the Eclipser -- This section includes the hidden object of our geocentric system (Rahu, Nibiru, Dark Twin, Second Sun, other names for earth's third satellite)

  1. video, "Huge Eclipse on SDO Shows Transparent Object!"  https://youtu.be/xbAxK3KlgYo
  2. article, "How Do Eclipses Occur When Sun and Moon Are Overhead? (selenelion or selenehelion), https://aplanetruth.info/2015/10/23/how-do-eclipses-occur-when-sun-and-moon-are-overhead/
  3. "NASA had to explain the impossible ECLIPSE- And FAILED!" https://youtu.be/f76XT7nbARQ
  4. article, "Cause of Solar and Lunar Eclipses," http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za29.htm
  5. video, "Total Eclipse of the Mind,"      https://m.youtube.com/watchfeature=emsubs_digest&v=m0dDw-8Nhow# 

Space: Stars, & Constellations

  1. video, "Flat Earth and Real Stars,"  https://youtu.be/hdNFo5eWf9g
  2. video, " Frequency of the Heavens: Footage of actual stars and planets," (Cymatics, Sonoluminescence, Bioluminescence, Harmonic Resonance of water, Light, the electromagnetic firmament and the waters above), http://youtu.be/AJJ_z6pwUrE
  3. article, "stars disappear at high altitude," http://www.wildheretic.com/disappearing-stars/
  4. video, "Flat Earth Southern Hemisphere Stars - Explained,"  https://youtu.be/8ryWArr82SE
  5. video,"Flat Earth Star Rotation, https://youtu.be/h6tZksMNty8
  6. video, "Flat Earth-100%- Proven True, https://youtu.be/AwT1ce_nr9o
  7. image, "Can a $600 Camera See an Object That's 1.7 BILLION Miles Distant,"     https://www.facebook.com/fematters/photos/pb.439175856282154.-2207520000.1465584538./513728272160245/?type=3&theater
  8. video, "Anti Crepuscular Sun Rays are KEY to Southern Star Rotation FLAT EARTH,"   https://youtu.be/t30-YbayyXE
  9. article, "History/Prehistory" of star charts going back to 32,000 years, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_chart
  10. how distances to stars are calculated:                                                                              • trigonometric parallax:  http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/virtualmuseum/ita/06_3.shtml                   • critique of astronomy's methods: Kings Dethroned, p. 56 - 60,   http://www.archive.org/stream/kingsdethronedhi00hickrich/kingsdethronedhi00hickrich_djvu.txt
  11. video, No "Space Weather Threat" Without Space... [Executive Order -- Coordinating Efforts to Prepare the Nation for Space Weather Events], https://youtu.be/zGh27tIdHFs




Impactors: comets, astroids, meteors (see above: 

  1. article, "[Galactic] Superwave Theory Predictions and their Subsequent Verification," http://starburstfound.org/predictions-part-1/
  2. article about comets (the Great Chicago Fire of 1871), http://www.sott.net/article/148414-Comet-Biela-and-Mrs-O-Learys-Cowarticle, "Clube and Napier: Coherent Catastrophism," http://www.pibburns.com/catastro/clubenap.htm
  3. video, "Flat Earth, Comets, Meteors, and Asteroids," https://youtu.be/cksKfOvszFY
  4. video, "Meteor hitting the flat earth glass dome," https://youtu.be/UMSHXqbHUos

Space Program: Rockets and Satellites, including ISS, Hubble, STEREO

  1. text summary, Post #3 below                                                                                                   Exhibit 12 - International Space Station (ISS) Fakery          
  2. article with numerous pictures (Hubble, ISS, space program), http://www.wildheretic.com/hubble-and-the-international-space-station-hoax/       
  3.  article, "The Human Space Travel Hoax 1959-2015,"                        http://heiwaco.tripod.com/mo ontravel.htm    
  4. video, "NASA International Space Station Construction Footage Fakery," https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ub4CaMmcPz4
  5. article, photos of rockets arcing back to earth, video, "Space Travel Is Impossible Because There Is No “Space,”                                                                       http://www.themoderngnostic.com/?page_id=56426
  6. images, rocket arcing back to earth,  re-entry with with parachute,  • http://i2.wp.com/www.themoderngnostic.com/wpcontent/uploads/2015/08/suborbitalflight.jpg?zoom=2&resize=448%2C60s                                                                  • http://www.themoderngnostic.com/?page_id=56426                                                                       • https://scontentord11.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotosxpf1/t31.08/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12828564_473024222897317_3882576608713289195_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9
  7. image, temperatures in exosphere, http://www.albany.edu/faculty/rgk/atm101/tprofile.jpg
  8. image, chart showing temperatures in thermosphere where satellites orbit,   http://www.toyotanso.co.jp/introduction/images/carbonABC_2_1.jpg
  9. video about temperatures in space vacuum, "Flat Earth Vacuum Experiemt - Heat Transfer,"  https://youtu.be/XUNuYRti7CM
  10.  image, earth's atmosphere by altitude,  http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/38708794.png
  11. article, http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?t=1632&p=2385409#p2385409
  12. videos, http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=satellites+hoaxes&FORM=HDRSC3&PC=SMSM
  13. video," Satellites and the flat earth ... my ideas, Could it be Very Likely!"         https://youtu.be/_Ay6L5MJw60
  14. "NASA's Robert Simmon AKA Mr Blue Marble ADMITS NO PHOTOGRAPHS OF EARTH," http://youtu.be/SA89iDq7PzE
  15. video, "NASA ISS Astronauts Zero Gravity Fakery Fully Exposed Using Zero-G Planes & Computer Morphing," https://youtu.be/aY90k_3VNW8
  16. article and images, "The ISS Is Fake," http://whotfetw.com/blog/?p=8961
  17. video, "Stanley Kubrick Confesses To Faking The Moon Landings,"  https://youtu.be/rR4pf6pp1kQ
  18. article and/or images earth land features that match pictures from Mars and the moon            • hills in Hawaiian <> hills on moon in Apollo mission,                                   http://epiphanyoftruth.com/the-hawaiian-moon-mountain-and-picture-frenzy/                             • hill on Ireland <> hill on Mars, with Rover in foreground,                             http://4.bp.blogspot.com/dt9ZdJbSt90/Vmv9km6EVmI/AAAAAAAAb6w/zhLkfwWA6nE/s1600/fake%2Bmars%2Bpicture%2B%25E2%2580%2594%2BIreland%2Bturned%2Binto%2BMars.png
  19. image, Apollo missions on moon, "How Could They See the Earth Over the Moon's Horizon and Take Pictures of It?     https://scontentdfw11.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.09/13256538_503673079832431_6990290720492341898_n.jpg?oh=5d98e2b069b95aeb88ef006c989ef5a6&oe=57CC79E3           
  20. image, comparing radio signals from moon landing  to radio stations on earth,                              https://scontentdfw11.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.09/13177755_1611304172522304_2034835628023201889_n.jpg?oh=aaabba8ede6114d5ceea8da0cdd32db4&oe=57D369E4



Creator/s, God or Aliens?

1. article - pdf file, The Alien Races Book, http://projectavalon.net/The_Alien_Races_Book.pdf


WHY the lies?

1984, George Orwell, pertinent excerpt below: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Authors/Part_Three_1984.html

 O'Brien silenced him by a movement of the hand. "We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn-by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation-anything.  I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wished to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth century ideas about the laws of nature. We make the laws of nature.". . . .

"But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars! Some of them are a million light-years away. They are out of our reach forever."

"What are the stars?" said O'Brien indifferently. "They are bits of fire a few kilometers away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the center of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.". . . . When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometers away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?"


Sources, Transferred from Post #2

• Science Reference Guides, The Flat Earth and its Advocates: A List of References - The Library of Congress >> Researchers, August 23, 2010  http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/SciRefGuides/flatearth.html• Library of Congress, Chronicling America, Historic American Newspapers,  http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?page=60&ortext=&andtext=&phrasetext=&proxtext=flat+earth&proxValue=&date1=1836&date2=1922&year=&sort=relevance&dateFilterType=yearRange&state=&lccn=&rows=20&sequence=-


Flat Earth Gallery, Memes, Other Visual Aids

* A Plane Truth; Plane Not a Planet, https://aplanetruth.info/

* Flat Earth Matters, https://www.facebook.com/Flat-Earth-Matters-439175856282154/

* Ball Earth Skeptic, https://www.facebook.com/ballearthskeptic

* Flat Earth & Other Hot Potatoes, https://www.facebook.com/Flat-Earth-And-Other-Hot-Potatoes-1617332451880920/  

Sources, text articles, websites, discussion boards

• Frequently Asked Questions -- http://www.flat-earther.co.uk/faq/

• Earth Curve Calculator -- http://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html

• Eric Dubay’s 200 Proofs --  http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html

• The Modern Gnostic: The Occult Roots of NASA, http://www.themoderngnostic.com/?page_id=52011

• Rick's Flat Earth Proof -- http://fakeologist.com/2015/04/19/ricks-flat-earth-proof/

• The Flat Earth Society -- http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=50167.0#.VfsgwJdm7Rk

• The Wild Heretic ( glass sky page) -- http://www.wildheretic.com/there-is-glass-in-the-sky/#comment-13769

• Yellow Rose for Texas -- https://outofthisworldx.wordpress.com/2015/03/28/the-domed-flat-earth-spaceship-adam-1414/

• The Hollow Earth -- http://hollowplanet.blogspot.com/

• Alien Shift -- http://alienshift.com/id52.html

• The Skeptic’s Dictionary -- http://www.skepdic.com/hollowearth.html

• The Hollow Earth - Fact or Fiction - VJ ENTERPRISES -- http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/holearth.html

• Anonymous on the Reptilian Illuminati -- https://reptilianilluminati.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/the-hollow-earth-theory-the-concave-earth-theory/

• Galactic Connection -- http://galacticconnection.com/concave-earth-theory/#sthash.eI4PXUfm.dpbs

• The Tamarack Mines Mystery -- http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/tamarack.htm

• “Earth Hoax,” Before It’s News -- http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2014/11/earth-hoax-part-2-of-2-

• theres-no-ball-in-the-global-2459010 html?currentSplittedPage=2

• Zen Gardner, A Beginner’s Guide to the Flat Earth Theory -- http://www.zengardner.com/beginners-guide-flat-earth-theory/

• Plane Not A Planet -- http://aplanetruth.info/about/

• The Geocentric Gnostic -- http://www.thegeocentricgnostic.com/?p=1841

• website, "What Happened on the Flat Earth This Week; the Official Blog of Whotfetw.com" -- http://whotfetw.com/blog/?cat=126                             



• Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe, Samuel Birley Rowbotham

• The Flat-Earth Conspiracy, eBook, Eric Dubay --http://www.lulu.com/shop/eric-dubay/the-flat-earth-conspiracy/paperback/product-21889483.html

• One Hundred Proofs That the Earth is Not a Globe, William Carpenter

• The Flat Earth and its Advocates: A List of References -- http://loc.gov/rr/scitech/SciRefGuides/flatearth.html

• The Human Space Travel Hoax 1959-2015 -- http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.html

• Circle_of_the_Earth_Investigation_web, free eBook, Daniel Valles, (written from a Christian point of view; offers scientific facts-- http://www.flatearthproof.com/2015/12/

• Flat Earth Advanced - The Moon - Free eBook. --http://www.waykiwayki.com/2015/07/flat-earth-advanced-moon-free-ebook.html-

• Geocentrism 101: An Introduction into the Science of Geocentric Cosmology, 4th Edition, Robert A. Sungenis

• The Greatest Lie on Earth, Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe, eBook and preview, https://books.google.com/books?id=4_VqCwAAQBAJ&lpg=PA194&dq=situation+room+white+house+map+earth&source=bl&ots=N-hSW8XY-F&sig=r1gaTGmbDaDtXEYji4W_sFZcN-M&hl=en&sa=X&output=reader&pg=GBS.PA190#v=onepage&q=situation%20room%20white%20house%20map%20earth&f=false

• eBook, "Paradise found, the cradle of the human race at the North Pole : a study of the primitive world"  -- http://publicdomainreview.org/collections/paradise-found-the-cradle-of-the-human-race-at-the-north-pole-1885/

• web page with video links, "The Enlightenment of the World," by John G. Abizaid -- http://thefullertoninformer.com/the-enlightenment-of-the-world-by-john-g-abizaid/

• Kings Dethroned, a history of astronomy, Gerrard Hickson,  https://ia902705.us.archive.org/12/items/kingsdethronedhi00hickrich/kingsdethronedhi00hickrich.pdf 


Creation Myths (earth created from primordial waters)

• Gnostic Sophia Myth, Archons vs. Luminous Child (Humanity), http://www.metahistory.org/GAIA%20SOPHIA/PlanetaryMyth.php

. "The World-Mill; The Meginwerk of the Ancient Germanic Cosmos," http://www.germanicmythology.com/original/cosmology5.html

• Enuma Elish (Sumeria), http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/enuma.htm

• Popul Vuh (Mayan), http://www2.fiu.edu/~northupl/populvuh.html

• Genesis (Hebrew), http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/gen1st.htm

• (Africa), http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mitos_creacion/esp_mitoscreacion_0.htm

• (Norse, Egyptian, Japanese, Native Americans, others): watery nothingness, oily primal ocean/soup, egg; http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Ca-Cr/Creation-Stories.html



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Please do. I intend to go through your original list and select which ones go with which topics. The topics will need lots of tweaking too. I tried to leave plenty of room for our finds. This is a team effort, especially since my server cripples me.


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If the earth is flat, were is the wall to keep the water from falling over the edges?

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3 hours ago, JustATrucker said:

If the earth is flat, were is the wall to keep the water from falling over the edges?

FE holds that Antarctica is not a continent but an ice wall all around the edge. The NASA thread is a good place to start for now.

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3 hours ago, JustATrucker said:

If the earth is flat, were is the wall to keep the water from falling over the edges?

Our first customer!

Who does not see where to find the answer to his question. :DWsKVPL: I just added a FAQ in post #2. Maybe it should be in post #1. Well, it is, but not where it should be, apparently at the top. Should we number the items? 

JAT, this is a do-it-yourself cheat sheet. I would like to make it easy for posters like you to find serious answers by people who provide credible reasons, evidence, photos, etc. As you can see, it is a work in progress, still in the design phase. Please be patient. And check out the FAQ in post 2.

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14 hours ago, grav said:

Our first customer!

Who does not see where to find the answer to his question. :DWsKVPL: I just added a FAQ in post #2. Maybe it should be in post #1. Well, it is, but not where it should be, apparently at the top. Should we number the items? 

JAT, this is a do-it-yourself cheat sheet. I would like to make it easy for posters like you to find serious answers by people who provide credible reasons, evidence, photos, etc. As you can see, it is a work in progress, still in the design phase. Please be patient. And check out the FAQ in post 2.

Grav you are to kind. Most people don't want to find the answers they just want to fight. 

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50 minutes ago, Ned Tugent said:

Nice thread Grav.  :bananallama:


16 minutes ago, Han sole said:

Grav you are to kind. Most people don't want to find the answers they just want to fight. 

I don't do this for the trolls. I do it for the good guys who are finally waking up. 

So do you, Han. Oh, yes siree Bob, you surely do. You fight for FE. I fought ignorance and stupidity for decades in classrooms. Mostly with gentle persuasion. I ain't giving up now.

If you want something done right, you may as well do it yourself.

Who else will? The government?  :qFbfZwK: :yShVbSg: :qWOMOeB:

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Bump to show additions. Rothbard has added significant numbers of proofs in Post 3. Please look.

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Just now, Ukshep said:

Ok im going to move these posts to my support thread. I believe its a bug. the settings are correct so it seems it not working. will get on it in the morning and hopefully have it fixed for you coming on.

Thank you!

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