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501c3 Pastors & Sunday Laws

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2 hours ago, Groove said:

Churches got scammed into the 501c3 forms anyway and I feel they all need to pull out of them. 

ABSOLUTELY! Churches are NOT precluded from endorsing candidates or addressing "political" issues.  Churches got tricked into the 501(C)(3) thing when the government extolled the "benefits" of incorporating.  The fact of the matter is that EVERY church is inherently TAX EXEMPT EVEN WITHOUT the 501(C)(3) designation!  Yep, it's true!  The ONLY reason a church might want the 501(C)(3) designation would be if they wanted to operate a government subsidized food pantry, daycare, school, etc.

Further, even churches that HAVE the 501(C)(3) designation can freely speak to issues and "political" matters and even endorse candidates. NO CHURCH HAS EVER LOST its tax emempt status for political speech in the pulpit! NONE. EVER.  In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find an IRS code that even addresses this sort of sanction. 

In fact, I've known churches that WANTED to give up their 501(C)(3) status and engaged in said disobedience in hopes that their charter would be revoked...but nothing happened.  They even had "visitors" report them...nothing.

IT'S ALL A SCAM!

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33 minutes ago, Kadosh said:

ABSOLUTELY! Churches are NOT precluded from endorsing candidates or addressing "political" issues.  Churches got tricked into the 501(C)(3) thing when the government extolled the "benefits" of incorporating.  The fact of the matter is that EVERY church is inherently TAX EXEMPT EVEN WITHOUT the 501(C)(3) designation!  Yep, it's true!  The ONLY reason a church might want the 501(C)(3) designation would be if they wanted to operate a government subsidized food pantry, daycare, school, etc.

Further, even churches that HAVE the 501(C)(3) designation can freely speak to issues and "political" matters and even endorse candidates. NO CHURCH HAS EVER LOST its 501(C)(3) status for political speech in the pulpit! NONE. EVER.  In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find an IRS code that even addresses this sort of sanction. 

In fact, I've known churches that WANTED to give up their 501(C)(3) status and engaged in said disobedience in hopes that their charter would be revoked...but nothing happened.  They even had "visitors" report them...nothing.

IT'S ALL A SCAM!

Iiiiiiiiiimmmm not so sure about that 

I’ve even heard pastors say 

I can’t go there or I can’t comment on this or that 

definitely agents in the Church and no truth has been told for a long time 

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3 hours ago, GT500 said:

Iiiiiiiiiimmmm not so sure about that 

I’ve even heard pastors say 

I can’t go there or I can’t comment on this or that 

definitely agents in the Church and no truth has been told for a long time 

Because they're IGNORANT of the law and/or have drank the KoolAid.  I've been in U.S. District Court on a church case and my wife is an expert in non-profit (church) law. Again, find me the IRS code that refutes my claim. Good luck.

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Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.

Did the church ever need to seek permission from the government to be exempt from taxes? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government. The First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government: "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Religion cannot be free if you have to pay the government, through taxation, to exercise it. Since churches aren't taxable in the first place, why do so many of them go to the IRS and seek permission to be tax-exempt? It occurs out of:

  • Ignorance ("We didn't know any better")
  • Bandwagon logic ("Everyone else is doing it")
  • Professional advice (many attorneys and CPAs recommend it)

Does the law require, or even encourage, a church to organize as a 501c3? To answer that question let's turn to what the IRS itself has to say.

Churches Need Not Apply

In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557:

Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023. These include:

Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt automatically if they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).

Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Exempt”

According to IRS Code § 508(c)(1)(A):

Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations.

(a) New organizations must notify secretary that they are applying for recognition of section 501(c)(3) status.

(c) Exceptions. (1) Mandatory exceptions. Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to—

(A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches.

This is referred to as the "mandatory exception" rule. Thus, we see from the IRS’ own publications, and the tax code, that it is completely unnecessary for any church to apply for tax-exempt status. In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-exempt.”

Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Deductible”

And what about tax-deductibility? Doesn’t a church still need to become a 501c3 so that contributions to it can be taken as a tax deduction? The answer is no! According to IRS Publication 526:

Organizations That Qualify To Receive Deductible Contributions

You can deduct your contributions only if you make them to a qualified organization. To become a qualified organization, most organizations other than churches and governments, as described below, must apply to the IRS.

In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-deductible.”

Churches Have a Mandatory Exception To Filing Tax Returns

Not only is it completely unnecessary for any church to seek 501c3 status, to do so becomes a grant of jurisdiction to the IRS by any church that obtains that State favor. In the words of Steve Nestor, IRS Sr. Revenue Officer (ret.):

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"I am not the only IRS employee who’s wondered why churches go to the government and seek permission to be exempted from a tax they didn’t owe to begin with, and to seek a tax deductible status that they’ve always had anyway. Many of us have marveled at how church leaders want to be regulated and controlled by an agency of government that most Americans have prayed would just get out of their lives. Churches are in an amazingly unique position, but they don’t seem to know or appreciate the implications of what it would mean to be free of government control."        

-- From the Forward of In Caesar's Grip, by Peter Kershaw

SOURCE: http://hushmoney.org/501c3-facts.htm

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