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If I could change something in the government....Right now!

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I would do this first. I look for ways to better overall. With zero negatives. This idea I believe has few negatives. It's simple!

I want to achieve a few things with this simple change:

  • Increase the amount of food surplus in the UK.
  • Teach valuable skills
  • Increase community bonding
  • Increase self-sustainability
  • Give life opportunities to grow and strengthen bonds
  • More spare income for citizens due to buying less food
  • Reducing dependence on state

To do this I would tweak some laws so that all new housing blocks that are built from that point on would have to have a communal growing area, This would apply to standard housing too. Private Property would be exempt but I'd encourage them to do the same. A system would be provided as standard for sectioning these off and sharing what is grown, Information would be provided and housing blocks would be given subsidized seeds to start. I would most likely start setting examples by restructuring a few government assets to bring the gov buildings in line with this kind of thinking. Cafe's inside these building will provide food grown on site for employees.

Anyone with a family of 3+ who wish to start a garden would also be able to ask the government for help, tips and starting seeds.

I believe with the above and several years to set in, That we would have a surplus of food as a nation, People would have more money to spend on other things, And communities and families would have a chance to strengthen bonds between themselves. Which would fix a little of society.

Clarification: The growing area would be mandatory, But it's use would not be forced. Or lack of use fined!

I can't see a negative to this other than a little extra cost.... It's idea's like this our countries need!

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If people could be more food independent, they would be more secure. Government doesn't want us healthy or having any spare time or be independent from them in any way.  Those kinds of people are a threat to their control grid.  They don't want the average family to actually sit down and think for themselves outside of their construct and that construct is still under construction in the form of oppression. 

It is very simple, teach people to grow, give them a way and a place to do it. It's worked where it's been tried. It's one of the cheapest things government could do in order to improve the people's lives. But, when you look at how it is now, you have to know that they are not about that, they're moving everyone further and further from the earth and connection with it. 

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38 minutes ago, Cinnamon said:

If people could be more food independent, they would be more secure. Government doesn't want us healthy or having any spare time or be independent from them in any way.  Those kinds of people are a threat to their control grid.  They don't want the average family to actually sit down and think for themselves outside of their construct and that construct is still under construction in the form of oppression. 

It is very simple, teach people to grow, give them a way and a place to do it. It's worked where it's been tried. It's one of the cheapest things government could do in order to improve the people's lives. But, when you look at how it is now, you have to know that they are not about that, they're moving everyone further and further from the earth and connection with it. 

What, no shekels to be made from all of this free food? No more "control" of the people through food?

No more shekels to the pharmaceutical industry due to poor health from factory "food?"

Sorry to be a little pessimistic however there will be no "pipedreams" like Shep's as long as we leave the people in charge of making the "laws" stay in power. JFK wanted to get rid of the FED and tear the CIA into a "thousand pieces." And look what happened to him.....

And I know that it might not sound all that Christian of me to say that there will be no peace on earth as long as the jews are in charge or ownership in.. well everything.

But on another note...

Ever since I was a kid, I thought about how cool it would be to let anyone who wanted to farm the median of I 75.

It goes from Michigan to Florida and could potentially produce massive amounts of produce. And that is just ONE long freeway with a wide median between north and south lanes. 

But... Who am I??

  

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Eliminate all of it and start from scratch.

Kinda like when your hard drive becomes corrupted beyond repair and you have to wipe the hard drive.

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I love you UKSHEPARD! You are a man with much wisdom and prowess. I’m stoked to be able to be a a part of this forum and learn from such wisdom. Peace brother 

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5 hours ago, Ukshep said:

I would do this first. I look for ways to better overall. With zero negatives. This idea I believe has few negatives. It's simple!

I want to achieve a few things with this simple change:

  • Increase the amount of food surplus in the UK.
  • Teach valuable skills
  • Increase community bonding
  • Increase self-sustainability
  • Give life opportunities to grow and strengthen bonds
  • More spare income for citizens due to buying less food
  • Reducing dependence on state

To do this I would tweak some laws so that all new housing blocks that are built from that point on would have to have a communal growing area, This would apply to standard housing too. Private Property would be exempt but I'd encourage them to do the same. A system would be provided as standard for sectioning these off and sharing what is grown, Information would be provided and housing blocks would be given subsidized seeds to start. I would most likely start setting examples by restructuring a few government assets to bring the gov buildings in line with this kind of thinking. Cafe's inside these building will provide food grown on site for employees.

Anyone with a family of 3+ who wish to start a garden would also be able to ask the government for help, tips and starting seeds.

I believe with the above and several years to set in, That we would have a surplus of food as a nation, People would have more money to spend on other things, And communities and families would have a chance to strengthen bonds between themselves. Which would fix a little of society.

Clarification: The growing area would be mandatory, But it's use would not be forced. Or lack of use fined!

I can't see a negative to this other than a little extra cost.... It's idea's like this our countries need!

I’m a little confused by your suggestive title and your bullet points.

Why increase the amount of food surplus?  Where/who would it go to?  And how?  Who would grow it?  When you increase the surplus in a population, you have growth.  In turn you need more food to feed the population.  And people will buy more food if they have the income to do so because we live in a consumer society.

If you want to “reduce dependence on state” then you can’t subsidize things or “ask government for help” to get started.  That counter-intuitive.

Communal growing areas are great and all, but they have tendencies to bring issues into communities as well.  You’ll have some people whom try their hands at gardening and give up. Which then you have a space that looks like shit.  Then you get bickering amongst the growers of who’s growing what and how.  Everyone’s gardening techniques are different.  And why should one person do all the growing and share in the community?  What is their incentive to do so?  You’re running into a slippery slope of socialism, and we all know the next steps to that.

Also, seasonality.  How do you grow year round?  How do you store food and where and how?   This is a great learning curve for many people.  And it also requires a great amount of time in order to do this.  Not everyone can be a farmer, nor do they want to.

If you really want to change things and fast, work on transferring the gov subsidies of big agriculture to small organic farms.  Those who want to farm will do so and hire others to help.  There’s your “skill training and opportunities to grow and strengthen bonds.”

You can also help by supporting small farms any which way possible.  Vote with your pocket.

Lastly, and just to comment, you mention “fines” for not using land to grow.  This falls in line with regulation and thus needs a “government” body to enforce it.  Enter the rabbit hole of government that we’re currently in...

There’s no easy answer for what you’re looking for.  I like where your head is at, and it’s something that I’ve worked passionately on for many years.  It’s a tricky puzzle because there are so many moving parts.  Forcing a society to grow their own food is equal to telling them to working 8 hours a day in order to pay their bills.

If you haven’t done so already, read the book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.  He has 3 others to follow it.  You’ll understand then where society is at and the next great experiences to come.

Sorry for the brevity and unrefined response, I’m mobile.

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7 hours ago, abigfatzero said:

Eliminate all of it and start from scratch.

Kinda like when your hard drive becomes corrupted beyond repair and you have to wipe the hard drive.

Too much chaos. The elite have that covered.... The key would be to go slow and steady, Not rush. I think!

2 hours ago, LuckyBolt said:

I’m a little confused by your suggestive title and your bullet points.

Why increase the amount of food surplus?  Where/who would it go to?  And how?  Who would grow it?  When you increase the surplus in a population, you have growth.  In turn you need more food to feed the population.  And people will buy more food if they have the income to do so because we live in a consumer society.

^^ There are a few reasons for this, Dependence on buying food from either takeaways or corporations. If everyone was growing food then the need to purchase food would decline, This would in turn free of money for people to spend on other things, In cases of communal gardens, Growing area's would be sectioned off, a square space for each room. If they wish to use it they can. If not they can opt out and allow another to take up the extra space. The extra food would belong to whomever grows it, But once it is theirs they can share it around if they wish. There are some options here, Like having one person do it all and taking it in turns maybe. This would not affect growth as much as it might suggest, the amount of food grown would not be enough to create a major surplus, It would just in turn move some of the consumption to a self sustainable source that costs far less. Sure this could allow some to have much more than they need and thus extra growth.

If you want to “reduce dependence on state” then you can’t subsidize things or “ask government for help” to get started.  That counter-intuitive.

^^ Not necessarily. Intentions are everything! In this case. The government in charge of this would hold no sway over forcing people to do anything, The dependence here  exists at the start of the program anyway. Sure.... But I am going to need to paint a picture so you can understand why this is worth it.

Using the UK as an example. There is a family of 4, They have government housing and get £200 a month to live on. This families dependence on the state is absolute. They rely on it for money and housing. Under my changes they would be provided with a space that would allow them to grow food, Making that original £200 go farther. This will help uplift the family from poverty and make the ladder of escape much easier. Decreasing dependence on the state over time as they better themselves. Teaching that low-class family unique skills and traits in the process.

Communal growing areas are great and all, but they have tendencies to bring issues into communities as well.  You’ll have some people whom try their hands at gardening and give up. Which then you have a space that looks like shit.  Then you get bickering amongst the growers of who’s growing what and how.  Everyone’s gardening techniques are different.  And why should one person do all the growing and share in the community?  What is their incentive to do so?  You’re running into a slippery slope of socialism, and we all know the next steps to that.

^^ Totally agree. I've thought a little more on this since I made the post and to be honest there are a few different ways it could work, I wanted to keep law out of it in regards to citizens etc. I only want to force those building these locations to provide an area to cover all tenants, The landlord will then be given a set of methods. From one person doing it all, to My favorite system, Every room gets an assigned space to grow, If they use it fine, If they do not they may go to the landlord and forfeit their growing area to another room, In the event of a tenant leaving their growing area would fall back to any new tenants regardless of whether it has been given to another. In short, Space provided. Nothing forced but encouraged.

Also, seasonality.  How do you grow year round?  How do you store food and where and how?   This is a great learning curve for many people.  And it also requires a great amount of time in order to do this.  Not everyone can be a farmer, nor do they want to.

^^ I would imagine these would be indoors in most cases, Some on roofs. That I think would determine if it can be done all year around or not at all.

If you really want to change things and fast, work on transferring the gov subsidies of big agriculture to small organic farms.  Those who want to farm will do so and hire others to help.  There’s your “skill training and opportunities to grow and strengthen bonds.”

^^ That's actually a good idea too... But I think there any many other issues affecting those types of dealios.....

You can also help by supporting small farms any which way possible.  Vote with your pocket.

Lastly, and just to comment, you mention “fines” for not using land to grow.  This falls in line with regulation and thus needs a “government” body to enforce it.  Enter the rabbit hole of government that we’re currently in...

^^ I mentioned there should be NO FINES. I wanted to emphasize that there would be no negative to every day people not wanting to be involved. Maybe I said it incorrectly.

There’s no easy answer for what you’re looking for.  I like where your head is at, and it’s something that I’ve worked passionately on for many years.  It’s a tricky puzzle because there are so many moving parts.  Forcing a society to grow their own food is equal to telling them to working 8 hours a day in order to pay their bills.

^^ totally! And the more you look the more complicated things get, This is why government goes to shit mostly. Lightest touches are the best. I think in this case just providing incentives to growing your own food and allowing society's smart individuals to take advantage of this might be the best option. No matter what I see coming out of governments it's all toxic to society. I just want to make some adjustments that start to a sway it back a little. And there is a fine line between getting it all right. And being a dictator. But in the end. My ultimate goal would be to make citizens as self-sustainable as possible, Teach them values they are sorely lacking, Free up funds and bring the family unit back together... All good things.. :D That once done. Will fix a lot.

If you haven’t done so already, read the book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.  He has 3 others to follow it.  You’ll understand then where society is at and the next great experiences to come.

Sorry for the brevity and unrefined response, I’m mobile.

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10 hours ago, Ukshep said:

I would do this first. I look for ways to better overall. With zero negatives. This idea I believe has few negatives. It's simple!

I want to achieve a few things with this simple change:

  • Increase the amount of food surplus in the UK.
  • Teach valuable skills
  • Increase community bonding
  • Increase self-sustainability
  • Give life opportunities to grow and strengthen bonds
  • More spare income for citizens due to buying less food
  • Reducing dependence on state

To do this I would tweak some laws so that all new housing blocks that are built from that point on would have to have a communal growing area, This would apply to standard housing too. Private Property would be exempt but I'd encourage them to do the same. A system would be provided as standard for sectioning these off and sharing what is grown, Information would be provided and housing blocks would be given subsidized seeds to start. I would most likely start setting examples by restructuring a few government assets to bring the gov buildings in line with this kind of thinking. Cafe's inside these building will provide food grown on site for employees.

Anyone with a family of 3+ who wish to start a garden would also be able to ask the government for help, tips and starting seeds.

I believe with the above and several years to set in, That we would have a surplus of food as a nation, People would have more money to spend on other things, And communities and families would have a chance to strengthen bonds between themselves. Which would fix a little of society.

Clarification: The growing area would be mandatory, But it's use would not be forced. Or lack of use fined!

I can't see a negative to this other than a little extra cost.... It's idea's like this our countries need!

UKshep, I would dearly love to comment on this thread as I too feel we need to have the whole system overhauled. I feel the problem lies with society as well as the Govt though. 

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9 minutes ago, Phantom said:

UKshep, I would dearly love to comment on this thread as I too feel we need to have the whole system overhauled. I feel the problem lies with society as well as the Govt though. 

You are correct. That is why any change I think about making is designed to strengthen families and values :D

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21 minutes ago, Ukshep said:

You are correct. That is why any change I think about making is designed to strengthen families and values :D

Exactly. The first thing is to repair society. Strengthen the family unit. Teach love not hate. Teach respect, teach truth, teach giving not taking. It would be a very difficult task, but everything will fall in place afterwards. People are divided. Reunite the family, society, the nation. 

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1 minute ago, Phantom said:

Exactly. The first thing is to repair society. Strengthen the family unit. Teach love not hate. Teach respect, teach truth, teach giving not taking. It would be a very difficult task, but everything will fall in place afterwards. People are divided. Reunite the family, society, the nation. 

Yep. It comes down to the same thing with pedophilia too. many are happy to just hang these people but they don't understand that there are machines of society at work creating these people, And it's not just pedophilia. It's like this for a lot of things.

A lot of side effects to stupid laws and decisions that have ruined nations.. It's so easy to fix. You just focus on fixing the family and the rest will take care of itself. :D

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