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GritBusters

Why are there not more left-wing conspiracy theorists?

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I consider myself a progressive and a left-wing populist with ideas that take elements from Rawlsian liberalism, social democracy, intersectional feminism, anarcho-capitalism, and pirate politics.

And yet within the Canadian lefts, I mostly see people who are "go-along-to-get-along" with the corrupt Liberal Party establishment, people who can't look past Donald Trump and Rob Ford (both shit stains on the underwear of the human race, admittedly) when they hear the word "populism", and refuse to consider CIA and deep state conspiracies.

I feel like nobody prominent within the "mainstream" lefts seem to get "it" right save for Bolivian President Evo Morales and former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura, admittedly two men who are otherwise very different both philosophically and culturally.

Meanwhile, so-called "liberals" and "social democrats" are often just as quick to give the Al-Saud Crime Family a free pass as are right-wingers, UK Labour's grassroots allowed Opus Dei (I'm Catholic, but I am relatively irreligious and I am not socially conservative) and the neoconservative PNACers (ie the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Clinton creeps) to hijack their party for years via fifth columnists such as Tony Blair and Ruth Kelly, "social democratic" and Stalinist factions in Venezuela assisted the CIA and the corporate lamestream media in their failed 2002 attempt to depose the country's democratically-elected government, Canada's NDP elects a leader that had previously been regarded as being on the right-wing fringe of the neoliberal Parti Libéral du Québec, and we've wasted trillions of dollars and millions of civilian and military lives destabilizing secular Arab regimes that, good or bad, had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11, thus concentrating regional power in the Middle East in the far-right clerical establishments running Riyadh, Ankara, and Tehran, creating power vacuums that have been filled by Daesh ("ISIS"), and manufacturing waves of otherwise-unneeded refugee crises in Europe, the Americas, and Oceania.

A majority of Iranians are either liberal or socialist in their world view and have been for decades, and yet they are somehow unable to dislodge the extremist clerical establishment that has provided us with an incredible amount of fear porn from the wackos running Likud and the GOP.

It's obvious to me that the deep state has murdered or otherwise-silenced real opposition leaders such as Jacob Arbenz, Mohammed Mossadegh, Sukarno, Patrice Lumumba, Martin Luther King Jr, Salvador Allende, Oscar Romero, and Paul Wellstone.

Sometimes it feels as though even having controlled opposition within our political class is a luxury at this point.

There is also reason to suspect that the cancers that killed Hugo Chavez (2013) and Jack Layton (2011) at around the same time that they infected other progressive leaders in the Americas were orchestrated from Washington, but I don't think it's something that can be proven.

Everyone just loves Franklin Roosevelt, who seems to have been beatified by many American progressives, but to me he was a miserable excuse of a bigot who allied with White supremacists and perpetuated Jim Crow when he had a mandate to liberate Dixie from the Bourbon reactionaries, he worked with corporate interests to create racist moral panics among the ignorant that led to the idiotic outlawing of cannabis and hemp (But hey, he ended Prohibition. It's all good!), he interned and seized the assets of hundreds of thousands of patriotic Americans based solely on their ethnicity and on the national origin of their ancestors, and he established the special relationship between Washington and the Al-Saud Wahhabi Mafia that has inflicted untold suffering upon hundreds of millions in the Middle East and the Global South, particularly women, religious minorities, and those not born into money and privilege.

And rather than getting any traction out of these arguments, the reaction that I seem to get from everyone is to say my prayers, take my vitamins, and smile, wave, and just play dumb for corrupt, duplicitous losers such as Justin Trudeau and Hillary Clinton.

I get thrown in with the actual rubes, that is the anti-vaxxers, the Holocaust deniers, the gun nuts, and the far-right militias, and I have no idea how to fire a gun more powerful than a f**king Super Soaker. At "worst", I'm convinced of the Mandela Effect and the existence of extraterrestrials on Earth.

Am I the crazy one here, or are my fellow "progressives" just blind, deaf, and willfully ignorant to the reality around us?

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6 minutes ago, Condor said:

How is communism working out for you?

You tell me.

I'm a white-collar professional with one of my country's fastest-growing firms.

I support privatizing the liquor stores where I live.

I say infrastructure in the hands of the state, consumer goods and services in the hands of the private sector.

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 Smudge    78

I see this as the main problem. Left wing, right wing BS!!!

If we could all drop our wings and become grounded, maybe just maybe we would work out the serious issues that require attention. The majority of which are as simple as right and wrong with normal minded people.

We create to many side shows to decide what side of a fence we choose to sit on. Problems that shouldn't be given the time of day in a normal, loving, peaceful society are created and people want to pick a side. How many choices in people's lives are made from whatever the left or right are doing.

Way to many religions!

Again, choose one. But make sure it's the correct one, as the one you pick is the only one and all the others are delusional.

I have my own religion.

it has one commandment.

Dont be C#n#s to each other.

Sorry have to stop as I feel a rant coming on!!!

:grumpier:

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 Condor    917
2 hours ago, GritBusters said:

You tell me.

Terribly. 

It seems you have not been red pilled yet.  You better get on that before the socialistic Zionists stop all Truthful information. 

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12 minutes ago, Condor said:

Terribly. 

It seems you have not been red pilled yet.  You better get on that before the socialistic Zionists stop all Truthful information. 

Not a Greater Israel supporter but not particularly anti-Zionist either.

The Zionists who trouble me are all neoconservative twits like Kissinger, Perle, Wolfowitz, Adelson, J. Lieberman, and Netanyahu.

Not a single socialist among the bunch.

In truth, I believe that the bad guys interfered in Soviet and German politics to put notorious antisemites Stalin and Hitler in power because Lenin and Trotsky returned the Soviet Union to the Gold Standard in 1924 after a failed 7 year experiment with fiat money.

I wish Israel would strive to be more than just a glorified CIA outpost and I wouldn't mind seeing the Likud Party and the Al Sauds put in their place though.

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 kbet    795

In order to be a CT, you need a fundamental thirst for the truth. Consider yourself, the exception that proves the rule. The rule being "leftists are pathological lying psychopaths". As such, the truth is an insult to them, and all they believe, as the majority of what leftists believe to be true, are bold faced lies.

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9 hours ago, kbet said:

In order to be a CT, you need a fundamental thirst for the truth. Consider yourself, the exception that proves the rule. The rule being "leftists are pathological lying psychopaths". As such, the truth is an insult to them, and all they believe, as the majority of what leftists believe to be true, are bold faced lies.

No, the lying psychopaths are the phony progressives who have hijacked the Socialist International, beginning when they sold their supporters and those they claimed to represent out by jumping into bed with the Bloodline Families, the Rockefellers, and the Black Nobility to support their countries' entrance into the First World War and then proceeded to have Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht eliminated for daring to strive for real social democracy.

It was Militant and the rest of the hard left and the Trots that fought back the hardest when Tony Blair and his buddies hijacked the Labour Party and used it as conduit to strengthen Opus Dei and PNAC/neoconservative control over the United Kingdom.

After 2010, the situation in the Labour Party dramatically improved. A grassroots reconquista of the party led to a 2013 exodus from the Socialist International and to Jeremy Corbyn's assuming the leadership 2 years later and then beating-back a neoconservative palace coup in 2016.

May is an Al Saud lackey, but Corbyn may be one of the few major G7 party leaders to know better.

It was Stalinist and establishment SI "social democratic" factions in Venezuela that participated in the CIA-sponsored 2002 military coup against that country's democratically elected government.

Washington and Riyadh retaliated by flooding the market with oil, which caused the commodity's price to crash and, with it, a Venezuelan economy that has been overdependent on oil.

While Chavez obviously failed to fix this over-dependence and may have in fact made it worse (an issue that is only tangentially connected to socialist economics), Venezuela had decades of rightist governments prior to 1998 and has suffered similar shocks under COPEI and AD.

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 Dr. Evil    1,422

I think you need to recognise left and right in the West are a punch and judy show put up to make people think they have a choice. Both sides are bad. The real choice you have is between us and them, good and evil. That's it.

So just as Bush 43 was bad so was Obama, in fact you look back through the last four: Obama, Bush 43, Clinton and Bush 41, they've been collectively the worst or the worse swine ever to drive The Resolute. Jury's still out on Trump. It's not looking good for him in my jury room.

But unless and until you drop the lens of politics, you will never drive into the heart of what makes the world tick. They want you to focus on that divide, for the same reason they want people to get fat and happy watching sports, porn and the MSM. So you don't start thinking.

But you obviously clearly have. You just need to drop the toolbox you've been using to date on how the world works and pick up another one.

This is the same point a few others have made above, just differently expressed. If you're thinking we're all wrong because we don't understand, then ask us something political, and see what we say.

Edit: I see you just did above, so allow me to take it apart, not to "win the argument" but simply to illustrate the point.

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 kbet    795
1 minute ago, GritBusters said:

No, the lying psychopaths are the phony progressives who have hijacked the Socialist International, beginning when they sold their supporters and those they claimed to represent out by jumping into bed with the Bloodline Families, the Rockefellers, and the Black Nobility to support their countries' entrance into the First World War and then proceeded to have Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht eliminated for daring to strive for real social democracy.

It was Militant and the rest of the hard left and the Trots that fought back the hardest when Tony Blair and his buddies hijacked the Labour Party and used it as conduit to strengthen Opus Dei and PNAC/neoconservative control over the United Kingdom.

It was Stalinist and establishment SI "social democratic" factions in Venezuela that participated in the CIA-sponsored 2002 military coup against that country's democratically elected government.

Maybe once upon a time, the reality is, lies never would of taken route in the Left, if the Left wasn't fertile for it. The first experiment for the Left, that proved the Left to be what it is, was the American city of "Liberal", an experiment in leftism, and godlessness(the secular, anti Christian hell, the Left has forced on the West). Within two years, that experiment came to an end.

Look deeper, and you will realize, the forces you cite, didn't "hijack the Left", they invented it for their own agenda.

Search out, the "Secret treaty of Verona", and research how Feudalism, began. In that search, the origin of the Left will be made plain to you.

Here is a little tidbit, Feudalism was the direct result of the "Cloward and Piven", collapse of Roman Imperial Socialism. The Left, is anti-free speech, and always went to great lengths to suppress opposing views, because most leftists tend to be sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists(and other mental defects). That makes the Left, the perfect instrument to fulfill the "Secret Treaty of Verona".

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 Dr. Evil    1,422
9 minutes ago, GritBusters said:

No, the lying psychopaths are the phony progressives who have hijacked the Socialist International, beginning when they sold their supporters and those they claimed to represent out by jumping into bed with the Bloodline Families, the Rockefellers, and the Black Nobility to support their countries' entrance into the First World War and then proceeded to have Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht eliminated for daring to strive for real social democracy.

It was Militant and the rest of the hard left and the Trots that fought back the hardest when Tony Blair and his buddies hijacked the Labour Party and used it as conduit to strengthen Opus Dei and PNAC/neoconservative control over the United Kingdom.

It was Stalinist and establishment SI "social democratic" factions in Venezuela that participated in the CIA-sponsored 2002 military coup against that country's democratically elected government.

So who actually were the Bolsheviks is the first question you need to address. And they're not who history tells you they are, because most history is propaganda. That's CT 101. 

The composition of them at the top level shows a remarkable number of Russian Jews. And what did the Bolsheviks proceed to go and do to the Russian Christian population? Murder them wholesale, that's what. And who were the provincial/district/etc leaders amongst the Bolsheviks? Russian Jews. In WWII, who were the political commissars attached to every battle group whose job amongst others was to "encourage" the troops to move forward by shooting them if they didn't, even if said running happened to be straight into a murderous enfilade of machine guns? Russian Jews, that's who. Strange coincidence isn't it, all these Jews in key positions, all doing murderous things to their fellow Christian countrymen.

Facts aren't anti-semetic BTW. Truth is truth. Truth doesn't get hysterical, emotional or poitically correct. It just is. Simple as that. There we are. First lesson of the CT'er. Don't get emotional, no matter what you're analysing. That's another reason why you can't use the political lens in CT analysis.

Because politics is at heart, you emotive assessment of who you have determined are the good guys and who are the bad guys. In CT that's irrelevant. But it's possibly why the left aren't in the field so much, because they bring more emotion to the table in their political analysis than conservatives do and that colours their entire worldview, they can't step out of it. All the left seem to do is look for the b'stard and the victim, and they don their armour and charge into battle on the poor widdle victim's behalf to slay the evil b'stards because they just really really care about things, whereas conservatives are just heartless beasts who can't wait to tread on people where ever and whenever they find em. And that kind of thinking isn't helpful in questions such as you just raised.

So I can keep going if you like and explain who was organising the Bolsheviks to do what they did and of course it wasn't Israel because Israel didn't exist then but someone clearly was because they didn't just come up with this on their own and where did they get the funding from etc, so who were the people behind the Bolsheviks, is the next question your dedicated CT truth-seeking analyst asks.

But that's a whole other topic and I don't feel like getting into it, to assuage your curiosity it was the British or more precisely, certain people based in Britain at the time, but there's a lot of detail to cover which is why it's a separate topic.

I hope the point several of us are making is a bit clearer. 

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