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Senate Republicans unveil health care bill scuttling Obama law, cuts Medicaid, slashes taxes for wealthy

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 Ukshep    20,171

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Republicans would cut Medicaid, end penalties for people not buying insurance and erase a raft of tax increases as part of their long-awaited plan to scuttle President Barack Obama's health care law, congressional aides and lobbyists say.

After weeks of closed-door meetings that angered Democrats and some Republicans, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell., planned to release the proposal Thursday. The package represents McConnell's attempt to quell criticism by party moderates and conservatives and win the support he needs in a vote he hopes to stage next week.

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBD155N?m=en-us

I don't like the sound of this! How about you?

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 apache54    4,913
7 minutes ago, Ukshep said:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Republicans would cut Medicaid, end penalties for people not buying insurance and erase a raft of tax increases as part of their long-awaited plan to scuttle President Barack Obama's health care law, congressional aides and lobbyists say.

After weeks of closed-door meetings that angered Democrats and some Republicans, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell., planned to release the proposal Thursday. The package represents McConnell's attempt to quell criticism by party moderates and conservatives and win the support he needs in a vote he hopes to stage next week.

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBD155N?m=en-us

I don't like the sound of this! How about you?

LIKE I KEEP saying ALL politicians are ONLY looking out for them selves and they are NOT doing ANYTHING GOOD for the public! they ALL need to be removed from office!! democrappers are the worst of the scum BUT repukes are not much better!! END OF STORY!!

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 JustATrucker    573
22 minutes ago, apache54 said:

when you look at a non-existing budget and  reducing of benefits to vets, seniors ans HEAVY spending allowed on emigrants ALL this is just CRAP!! plain old POLITICAL driven CRAP!!

I agree. It doesn't even sound like a full repeal. Just another watered down version of what we already have.

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 sybdragon    1,505
54 minutes ago, thedudeabides said:

I'm around a quarter through it and I agree. So far it doesn't look that bad. And they are going to expand Medicaid for some and drop off some people looks like. Creeping toward that one payer health system slowly but surely. They are going to put people on Medicaid if they make 133% or less, got to look at the family chart to see how much that is it says. You can do the math yourself if it's just you. Or if you know what the 'poverty' number is for your family size. We are at around 118% of poverty at my house. Long ways from 133% seems like it. That's good because I do not go to the doctors unless I am dying. Got to be dying or it's not worth it to go. They always poke and jab and stab and do stuff to me that hurts. It's amazing. They act like they can not feel it at all too. I sure do but they don't feel nothing obviously. Jab, jab, poke, poke, prick, prick...  :gsbrnint:

I am going to have to finish it before I give a final opinion but so far..... sounds pretty good. It takes away the mandates for the IRS fines for not having insurance and looks like it back dates them. Will you be getting a refund? Doesn't say that so I am sure you will not... But if you wanted to be a butt and not pay that fine a few years, it would be wiped out. Not sure if they would wipe out the penalties and such but it should. That's usually how the law works. 

If you ask me... This is another bill, they will make into law, that slowly creeps us towards a one payer system like the rest of the socialist world has. Obama's law made it optional if the state wanted to expand Medicaid. Then the experiment started. It's been a while now and the data is in. Medicaid works. So they one payer system will work. Now they have to sell it. Another bad health care law or two ought to do that. 

With Obama's law, the health insurance companies have been consolidating. They walked into a state and you have lots to chose from. Slowly but surely, the insurance companies have withdrawn from the states until they are in only a few chosen states for them. And the people have lost their chose of insurance companies because it's a monopoly now. Only one insurance provider in that area. And we all know how monopolies raise prices because there is no competition. Competition is good but not too much or everyone suffers and you don't want to little or they will collude on prices and balance. We need a balance.... Soooo... 

If the federal or state or local or whoever, tries to force a company to sell in their marketplace, that is not a 'free' market. It's a fixed one. So they can not threaten or really force a company to stay in their state and sell a product can they? And the state already has a medical program. It's called Medicaid. The feds have one and it's called Medicare. Already set up and working for millions of people. So these programs would be very easy to expand into a one payer system. 

Now they need the doctors and such to accept what they are willing to pay. Medicaid and Medicare don't pay a lot I hear. But neither does private insurance companies. I get a damn bill and it says that I owe $40 and the insurance company paid $1. The total bill comes to $40. What the hell is Medicare pay for? They still send you bills because Medicare doesn't pay shit. Medicaid is the one that is excellent insurance. Excellent. I have Medicaid. The hubby has Medicare. His insurance sucks. 

The difference is... Medicaid has no co-pay. Medicare has a $20-$40 co-pay per visit depending on the type of doc you are seeing. Medicaid medicines are free or not more than $6? I think, definitely not more than $10 a script and if you are paying for it, it's a special drug. Medicare costs me for every script until I hit a limit and then they pay for it all but the limit is only reached in like Dec. And the hubby takes a lot of pills. And until this year, I had a $100 co-pay or whatever that had to be paid in Jan. along with the cost of his scripts. Medicaid is free for me. Medicare costs me $100 a month plus co-pays of $120 for docs and $25 for meds for the hubby. I really don't know much about either system because I don't really use mine. I went to the doc twice for my cat bite. I am thinking.... Last time I went to the doc was??? Crap... hmmmm... a few years ago? Long time ago. I had cancer then. I went once the year after for a pap and quit doing that. And it's been??? I don't know, around 7 years now since I had cancer... Crap, who knows. Long time ago now. And NO, NO, NO, I am not going to see the doc anytime soon. I know I am suppose to go in for tests and all that now but hey... ain't doing it OK? Not. doing. it. grumble, grumble, dang pests and their 'you need to go get' blah, blah, blah.. grumble, grumble... :grumph:

Obama's law messed up some stuff. This law is probably suppose to mess up the other half of it. Demolish the health insurance companies until there are only one or two left to chose from that can set the price. Are we there now? Almost I think as there is a new one here in KY on the Medicaid list this last year when I had to chose which insurance company was going to do my Medicaid. I had a choice of 3? I know there was two because I changed my provider. This one will give me a free eye exam AND free glasses if I want them. I wear bifocals too. Ain't had glasses in years because I broke the last ones and lost my extra pair. I have looked everywhere for them. Still thinking about it though. Got all year to go so.. Do I or don't I? Free guys, totally free.. Wonder if I will like the glass selection? My last glasses I bought and paid an extra 20 to upgrade the frames to ones I liked better than the ones with the original deal. That was a 40 because I had to do it for both. Oh well, it's not on my driver's license I need glasses and I've worn them since 6th grade. Not bifocals but can not see far away. My eyesight is better these days far away but it sure sucks up close. :gsbrnint:

Rambling dang it. Sorry, got longer than I thought it would. Going to read the rest of that long boring book. :sigh:

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 Zing    904
21 minutes ago, sybdragon said:

I'm around a quarter through it and I agree. So far it doesn't look that bad. And they are going to expand Medicaid for some and drop off some people looks like. Creeping toward that one payer health system slowly but surely. They are going to put people on Medicaid if they make 133% or less, got to look at the family chart to see how much that is it says. You can do the math yourself if it's just you. Or if you know what the 'poverty' number is for your family size. We are at around 118% of poverty at my house. Long ways from 133% seems like it. That's good because I do not go to the doctors unless I am dying. Got to be dying or it's not worth it to go. They always poke and jab and stab and do stuff to me that hurts. It's amazing. They act like they can not feel it at all too. I sure do but they don't feel nothing obviously. Jab, jab, poke, poke, prick, prick...  :gsbrnint:

I am going to have to finish it before I give a final opinion but so far..... sounds pretty good. It takes away the mandates for the IRS fines for not having insurance and looks like it back dates them. Will you be getting a refund? Doesn't say that so I am sure you will not... But if you wanted to be a butt and not pay that fine a few years, it would be wiped out. Not sure if they would wipe out the penalties and such but it should. That's usually how the law works. 

If you ask me... This is another bill, they will make into law, that slowly creeps us towards a one payer system like the rest of the socialist world has. Obama's law made it optional if the state wanted to expand Medicaid. Then the experiment started. It's been a while now and the data is in. Medicaid works. So they one payer system will work. Now they have to sell it. Another bad health care law or two ought to do that. 

With Obama's law, the health insurance companies have been consolidating. They walked into a state and you have lots to chose from. Slowly but surely, the insurance companies have withdrawn from the states until they are in only a few chosen states for them. And the people have lost their chose of insurance companies because it's a monopoly now. Only one insurance provider in that area. And we all know how monopolies raise prices because there is no competition. Competition is good but not too much or everyone suffers and you don't want to little or they will collude on prices and balance. We need a balance.... Soooo... 

If the federal or state or local or whoever, tries to force a company to sell in their marketplace, that is not a 'free' market. It's a fixed one. So they can not threaten or really force a company to stay in their state and sell a product can they? And the state already has a medical program. It's called Medicaid. The feds have one and it's called Medicare. Already set up and working for millions of people. So these programs would be very easy to expand into a one payer system. 

Now they need the doctors and such to accept what they are willing to pay. Medicaid and Medicare don't pay a lot I hear. But neither does private insurance companies. I get a damn bill and it says that I owe $40 and the insurance company paid $1. The total bill comes to $40. What the hell is Medicare pay for? They still send you bills because Medicare doesn't pay shit. Medicaid is the one that is excellent insurance. Excellent. I have Medicaid. The hubby has Medicare. His insurance sucks. 

The difference is... Medicaid has no co-pay. Medicare has a $20-$40 co-pay per visit depending on the type of doc you are seeing. Medicaid medicines are free or not more than $6? I think, definitely not more than $10 a script and if you are paying for it, it's a special drug. Medicare costs me for every script until I hit a limit and then they pay for it all but the limit is only reached in like Dec. And the hubby takes a lot of pills. And until this year, I had a $100 co-pay or whatever that had to be paid in Jan. along with the cost of his scripts. Medicaid is free for me. Medicare costs me $100 a month plus co-pays of $120 for docs and $25 for meds for the hubby. I really don't know much about either system because I don't really use mine. I went to the doc twice for my cat bite. I am thinking.... Last time I went to the doc was??? Crap... hmmmm... a few years ago? Long time ago. I had cancer then. I went once the year after for a pap and quit doing that. And it's been??? I don't know, around 7 years now since I had cancer... Crap, who knows. Long time ago now. And NO, NO, NO, I am not going to see the doc anytime soon. I know I am suppose to go in for tests and all that now but hey... ain't doing it OK? Not. doing. it. grumble, grumble, dang pests and their 'you need to go get' blah, blah, blah.. grumble, grumble... :grumph:

Obama's law messed up some stuff. This law is probably suppose to mess up the other half of it. Demolish the health insurance companies until there are only one or two left to chose from that can set the price. Are we there now? Almost I think as there is a new one here in KY on the Medicaid list this last year when I had to chose which insurance company was going to do my Medicaid. I had a choice of 3? I know there was two because I changed my provider. This one will give me a free eye exam AND free glasses if I want them. I wear bifocals too. Ain't had glasses in years because I broke the last ones and lost my extra pair. I have looked everywhere for them. Still thinking about it though. Got all year to go so.. Do I or don't I? Free guys, totally free.. Wonder if I will like the glass selection? My last glasses I bought and paid an extra 20 to upgrade the frames to ones I liked better than the ones with the original deal. That was a 40 because I had to do it for both. Oh well, it's not on my driver's license I need glasses and I've worn them since 6th grade. Not bifocals but can not see far away. My eyesight is better these days far away but it sure sucks up close. :gsbrnint:

Rambling dang it. Sorry, got longer than I thought it would. Going to read the rest of that long boring book. :sigh:

If you want to avoid cancer and a lot of other diseases drink green tea.  It's the best health insurance I have found.

http://www.umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/herb/green-tea/

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 thedudeabides    2,372
36 minutes ago, JustATrucker said:

I agree. It doesn't even sound like a full repeal. Just another watered down version of what we already have.

-_- you cannot.....by law.....repeal without replacing.


How do people not know this still!

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 JustATrucker    573
12 minutes ago, thedudeabides said:

-_- you cannot.....by law.....repeal without replacing.


How do people not know this still!

You can replace it with what we had.

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 sybdragon    1,505

The plan as I see it... Kentucky expanded Medicaid and has years of data to back it up. There is a new Republican Governor that wants to scale back Medicaid and charge the people on it. If you are 100% of poverty, no monthly bill. If you are above 100% and below 133% of poverty, you will get a monthly bill of $6-10, depending on where you are on this sliding scale of poverty.

Medicare used to be like Medicaid. Totally free. Medicaid is mostly free although there are a few things that want a small co-pay. Some of the fancier drugs and such. I don't know, I've never paid for any, antibiotics are free. But I  did get a paper that I read that said that so I know that they do charge for some drugs.

Medicare has been an experiment. Medicaid was left alone basically. The poor and disabled and seniors, Medicaid is what pays for all those nursing or senior care facilities. Medicare pays for the doctors and meds and tests but Medicaid is what pays for the room and board. It's why you will die broke if you go into a nursing home. They will take everything you have to pay for it. Then after you have no assets left, they will put you on Medicaid as being a poor, poverty person. And do not think you will sell your assets and get on it. Nope. If those assets have a paper trail, which all major assets do. Your car, home, insurances, bank accounts and 401Ks, etc. All have a paper trail. And they will not allow you to just party it up and spend it fast either. They will allot you so much for living expenses and you will wait until they think you should have spent that money. If you are broke during this time, sucks for you. That's the way it's done.

So instead of making Medicaid the money experiment, that was put on Medicare. After all, if you are on Medicare, you are probably on Social Security too. You can not get on Medicare without it. And you will have a little money according to the feds because they sent you a monthly check. They even take out your medical insurance coverage before depositing it in your bank. They get their money for Medicare first. And now, you have co-pays too. but this is not on a sliding scale. They are the same for everyone. In the 1970s... this was not Medicare. This was private insurance and most did not have private health insurance because you could afford to pay cash to go see the doctor and to have a baby and other regular doctor/hospital stuff. Not anymore. Too many useless and unnecessary tests that people demand or the doctors are doing to scam more money because of??? Lots of reasons are given so... Lawsuits, law, blah, blah. 

Now this experiment has proven that Social Security people, for the most part, can make these payments. They get a UBI (universal basic income) don't they?

So these experiments are all coming to an end and the end game is going to be a UBI and a blend of Medicare and Medicaid. All the dominoes are lining up and getting ready to fall. Little more data on the UBI and then it's the ole, 'how do I sell this to the populace?'. And you are seeing how they are going to sell it to you if you are watching this stuff. I know some will not be because there is too much to watch. This is one of the areas I watch in a way. Curious to see what is going to replace Social Security for my generation.. Something will. The boomer generation is going to get the changes and I am the ass end of the boomers, start of GenX. Hubby is GenX, he's 4 years younger than me.

The plan is coming along nicely. Raise health care prices so that people have to get insurance just to go to the doctor's for the sniffles, much less an appendicitis. And raise these prices so that health care is outrageous. Then after they buy all these gadgets because they are getting so much money, take them down a peg and get them used to paperwork and taking less money from Medicaid and Medicare and put more people on those programs. Do you think they did not know that the boomers were coming and fixing to all get on those programs and they would start costing them lots of money? They've talked about this generation for years and how big it was. They were expecting it and making plans. Spoiled boomers. Things were different when I was growing up. Lots different.

And the boomers are the ones that started to pay for their Medicare like it was private insurance. Boomers are good for experimenting on. Lots of them. You can afford to kill off a lot of them too, with not much loss in test subjects. Cannon fodder anyway. It's all the boomers were, cannon fodder. GenX followed but they were as much cannon fodder as the boomers were. No Vietnam for GenX. Other small engagements abounded but GenX wasn't drafted for them. They volunteered. And so did all the generations after them.

Anyway, I believe the end game is a UBI and a one payer system of health care. All this stuff they are doing and passing is not suppose to be comfortable for us. It's suppose to make us look more towards a single payer system. Is it working on you yet? If not, just hang out, most people will be so screwed by the health laws that they will beg for a single payer system. And everyone will cheer when it arrives. Just like they will for the UBI eventually. It's all coming. Jobs are on the way out and UBI is on the way in.... Right on time.... 

And for the ones that want to know if Trump will bring this all to pass... I am starting to think... Trump was put into place to bring in the UBI. Yes.... I think so. He was a fan of Nixon's. He even hung a letter Nixon wrote him that told him, he would be a good president. I think Trump has thought about that for years... He framed the letter and Nixon retired in disgrace didn't he? But Trump... still framed that letter and it's hanging in the Oval Office today. Nixon was for a UBI. He championed it too. Trump is very, very aware of the UBI. That was a pet project of Nixon's. Just like Trump was. ;) I know y'all thought he was running as a Republican because of something... Nixon was a Republican... Trump, well, ya know, good enough for Nixon, good enough for Trump. ;)

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 sybdragon    1,505

After reading all that mess... Nothing to that thing. It's not changing much. It's getting rid of the fines and penalties for not having medical insurance. It's getting rid of the tax credits and the cost sharing plan that some people are getting cheaper medical insurance on. It's putting more people into the Medicaid programs. It is encouraging states to implement or keep their expanded Medicaid. It is making it harder for the state to just withdraw from Medicaid expansion if they already have it or implement it. It is also giving the states some leeway in whether or not they want to charge a small fee, like Kentucky's governor is talking about. Medicare does it so they do not care if the states do it too. And they are suggesting that maybe, a work requirement for it in some age brackets. But not necessary, just a suggestion if they want to. ;) 

And it repealed section 1402 of, I am including a link, page 102 on my puter but it's not counting pages it didn't look like because when I went down a page it didn't change so.... Look up section 1402. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/pdf/PLAW-111publ148.pdf  This is a big pdf. 908 pages. 

And on page 423, it gives the funding found there to opioid epidemic going on in the country. 

And it expands the one payer health system, Medicaid. There ya have it. A nothing burger really. Insurance can still rape you but now you are not going to get a tax refund/credit or any help with the costs. And people will scream but the young and healthy will drop out. No fine? No participation. And as a whole lot of the young and healthy are going to be under the poverty level or 133% of it, they will be put on Medicaid and will have to find a job or volunteer or something that their state requires, if it's required of them. This will do a lot towards making people scream at the insurance companies and demand .gov steps in and punishes these greedy health system vultures and the one payer system will be born. Voluntary at first but down the road a few years, it will be just another thing, like having a social security number to work legally in the USA. You will get it at birth. Just like the UBI. :) Coming to a neighborhood near you real soon. ;) 

This thing is kindof simple and if anyone's against it up there on the hill.... They haven't read it really or they are not in touch with reality and how automation and anyway, they need to look towards the future and this is the path chosen. Sci fi has been writing about it for years. The sticking point might be because the tax credit and cost sharing is being repealed. But I really did not see anything spectacular about this plain jane, simple expansion of Medicaid.  :coffeetime:

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