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 A Freeman    664

There is a new article up on Before It's News that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the Bible doesn't teach that the Earth is flat. Quite to the contrary, the Bible from cover-to-cover teaches us the Earth is not only spherical in shape, but that it completes its circuit (i.e. orbits) around the sun, on a fixed path. Please find the article at the following link. It will also be included below, albeit without the illustrations.


The reason this topic seems of critical importance to share is because there are many individuals who have hung their faith on the incorrect assumption that the Bible teaches a flat Earth when it does not, and never did. This error is in large part due to a lack of understanding of both the English language and of the original Hebrew and Greek languages, coupled with a failure to look at the Bible from a spiritual perspective as the Bible itself requires to be properly understood.

The primary concern is this: when it is revealed in the near future that the Earth is indeed spherical in shape, it could have a detrimental effect on those who have tied their faith to what they incorrectly believe to be a literal interpretation of the Bible (thinking the Bible is in error, when it isn't). That's why everyone should really take the time to look at this subject objectively and in depth.

Hopefully this information will be carefully and thoroughly reviewed with an open-mind and a humble attitude, and accepted as the sincere effort it's intended to be, to clear up the tremendous confusion this subject has generated.


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 A Freeman    664

Secret Bible Code Words - Reveal the Earth's Shape

Further Proof of Our Son/Sun-Centered REALITY

Much of the Bible was written in code, to stop idiots from interfering with its meaning. These “codes” were actually hidden in plain sight, so that anyone spiritually-inclined and humble enough to take the time can, with a little practice, find them and apply them. Please see a few examples below, from the article “The Four Horsemen of the Apocaplypse and the Two Witnesses“.

SUN – The Throne of David – (Psalm 89:36) – which is the British Throne. The “Stone of Destiny” is Jacob’s Pillar and Israel’s Throne of David.

MOON – Reflects the light of the SUN. The SUN is the British Throne and the “Commonwealth” reflects her light and power (like the moon does to the sun…without the help of any man-made “retroreflectors”).

STARS of heaven – U.S.A. (50 on their flag, “STAR spangled banner” etc. – Rev. 8:12). Stars can also reference Beings of Light, aka Angels (Rev. 9:1).

HEAVENS – Political systems (above the mountains).

MOUNTAIN – Government – (Micah 4:1).

EARTH – Downtrodden people (oppressed and poor).

EARTH-QUAKE – Great upheaval of the EARTH (as above).

SEA – Restless, moving people who are not as oppressed and are free to move around (Psalm 65:6,7).

WATERS – Peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues (languages) (Isaiah 17:12, Apocalypse/Revelation 17:15).

HORN – kingdom

UNICORN – Unique horn – “One Kingdom, world without end” – God’s Kingdom on Earth – soon.

OLIVE – The “House of Israel” – (people not country)

FIG tree – Jews (Jeremiah 24:5, Matt. 21:20), Christ cursing Judaism for ever in verse 19.

DAY – Year in prophecy (Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6, Revelation 9:5).

MONTH – 30 years in prophecy (Rev. 11:2,3 – 42 x 30 = 1260).

SEVEN – The number of completeness in Scripture (7 days of creation, 7 churches, 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 millenia, etc.).

Once these code words are clearly understood and properly applied, they perfectly explain what is going on in the world today. The Israelite nations (plural) are gradually being alienated from the rest of the world, and their military might is clearly waning (Dan. 12:7). All of these troubles are happening to set the stage for our defeat and further enslavement at the hands of our enemies for breaking our Covenant with God to keep His Law and be His demonstration people (NOT a master race) to the rest of the world.

The Current-Day Location of the PEOPLE Israel

You need to use your common-sense to see what is logical and sensible and whether the words are to be interpreted in their normal way or in God’s code. A perfect example of this is when Christ said, “IF, you have enough faith and you say to this mountain, fall into the sea and it will (Matt. 21:21)”. It obviously did not mean an actual mountain and the sea. It was coded. It is obviously possible for God to cast a mountain into the sea but why should He want to destroy a beautiful mountain that He Himself has created? It means government (mountain) and restless dis-satisfied people (sea).

Think about it. A mountain (govt.) towers over and looks down upon the sea (people) and the sea looks up at the mountain. The sea (people) cannot remove the mountain (govt.) without a tidal-wave. IF you have enough faith and tell the people the TRUTH of God’s Perfect System of Government and Laws, you can create that tidal-wave with God’s help, for everyone’s benefit. SIMPLE.

God’s Perfect System of Government and Laws are built on the immovable foundation of putting the common, greater good above our own selfish interests, as Jesus taught by word and action, and exactly as stated in the Two Great Commandments (Mark 12:29-31). The core message throughout the Bible, from cover-to-cover, is that we MUST destroy ALL selfishness and stop thinking we are the center of the universe and free to do whatever we want without taking responsibility for our actions.

Luke 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Galatians 2:20 My “Self” is crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I (the “Self”), but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The crucifixion was the ultimate example of self-sacrifice for the benefit of everyone. If we were actually following Christ’s example, every one of us would be learning to take up our cross and crucify “the self” (our egos), all day long every day. Hold your arms straight out from your sides and look in the mirror. THAT is YOUR personal cross to bear.

We were meant to observe the world around us and apply our God-given common-sense, by asking God for His help with everything. Our natural surroundings are FILLED with lessons, if looked upon through spiritual eyes. The spiritual is often manifested in the physical world, in sufficient repetition so anyone who wants to see the truth in it can. The fact that plants and animals co-exist in a symbiotic relationship was meant to teach the need to be in balance with nature and every other creature in God’s Creation. Instead, almost everything mankind does is against God and nature. Just look at the mess we’ve made of this beautiful world.

Wherever we’ve been, we’ve polluted and poisoned the land and the water. We’ve poisoned the plants and animals with chemicals, radiation and genetic manipulation. And we’ve polluted and poisoned the air, not just with the toxic fumes from cars and factories, but through direct spraying of heavy metal particulate and even more chemicals. Who in their right mind would knowingly and wilfully destroy their own natural habitat and life-support system for money? This should be proof enough that the human perspective and the human way of life is not only unsustainable but TOTALLY INSANE.

The TRUTH About the Environment

Humans look at every thing from a selfish perspective. “What’s in it for me?” is the stereotypical human mantra. And “I’m just looking out for #1” provides the ready-made excuse for complacency and turning a blind eye to all of the evil that goes on around us. It also makes it clear that God isn’t #1, which is a violation of the first and most important COMMANDMENT.

Humans don’t care how much they waste, what they destroy, or who they victimize in the process of getting whatever they want. As long as the end result provides that one fleeting moment of happiness, it’s considered to be “mission accomplished”.



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 A Freeman    664

Conversely, a spiritual-Being is a true conservationist, carefully using only what is needed to keep from being wasteful, inconsiderate or destructive. Service to God and to others are the primary objectives. And receiving attention or accolades for services rendered is avoided if at all possible (Matt. 6:1-8). Everything and everyone is treated with the dignity, love and respect that we all would hope to receive.

Nature and Grace from a Spiritual Perspective

The Bible itself clearly states that it was written for spiritual-Beings ONLY and CANNOT be understood by humans (John 3:3-12, Rom. 8:5-8). Hopefully the reason for this is self-evident, as humans look at the Bible as a means to exercise power over others (organized religion), instead of as the ultimate service manual to teach us everything we NEED to know to get along with others, while continually striving for perfection.

Matthew 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

A humble, child-like spirit seeks self-discipline and is gladly led by its Creator. A know-it-all human only thinks about what it stands to gain and how it can become the “top dog” in this dog-eat-dog world. That’s why the human (flesh) can NEVER serve God or others, by subjecting itself to His Law, because all of that is foreign to its carnal, human nature and backward-thinking mind.

Romans 8:5-8

8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
8:8 So then they that are in the ways of flesh cannot please God.

When someone consistently and repeatedly offers scriptural interpretations that are decidedly from a human perspective, they prove their spiritual blindness beyond any reasonable doubt no matter how sophisticated their explanations may appear to be. We have it straight from Christ Himself that these (spiritually) blind guides are leading the blind directly into the Pit or, in other words, the Fire (Matt. 15:14, Rev. 21:8).

The epidemic unbelief in anything spiritual, and the resulting evil it causes, gets worse every generation because we have been steadily falling away from God.

II Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of the Destroyer;

In fact, it is so bad now, during these end-times, that people can be swayed into believing almost anything (2 Esdras 5:9, I Tim. 3:1 – I Tim. 4:1 KJV).

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find Faith on the earth?

It has been put forth by some that we are living in a domed, flat Earth, or a domed cubic-shaped terrarium, which is purportedly the fixed center of the Universe, and that everything revolves around us and our temporary human existence. The claim has been made that this “geocentric” model of the Universe is somehow Biblical, despite it being devoid of ANY spiritual insight. Contrary to what humans think, which is almost always exactly backwards, God and the rest of the Universe He created do NOT revolve around us.

From the Bible code-words that have already been shared, it should be obvious that the sun, moon and stars can, and often do, have very different meanings in Scripture than the heavenly objects we see in our night sky.

Psalm 89:34-37

89:34 My Covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
89:35 Once have I sworn by My holiness that I will not lie unto David.
89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as “the sun” before me.
89:37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and [as] a faithful witness in heaven. The rock.

The British empire is known as “the empire on which the sun never sets”, and we have it directly from God, that the Davidic throne will endure FOREVER (Jer. 33:17), and eventually be given to Christ during His Second Coming (Eze. 21:26-27). It therefore MUST exist today for that to be true. The British throne is the throne of David here on Earth, and the Coronation Stone/Stone of Destiny/Lia Fail is in fact Jacob’s-Pillar.

The Truth About the Stone of Destiny

The Truth About the British Monarchy

We are told a firmament was placed in the midst of the “waters” to divide “the waters from the waters” (Gen. 1:6-7), and that God called the firmament Heaven (Gen. 1:8). The “waters” are in fact the people, so the firmament was placed in the midst of the people, to divide one group of people from another, for a very good reason.

Isaiah 17:12 Woe to the multitude of many people, [which] make a noise like the noise of the “seas”; and to the rushing of nations, [that] make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The “waters” which thou sawest, where the “Whore” sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

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 A Freeman    664

A very simple and relevant current-day example of this code-word being used may be found in the book of Revelation concerning the “waters” of the great River Euphrates.

Revelation 9:14-15

9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great River Euphrates (Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran*).
9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for The Hour, and The Day, (the month, and the year) for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great River Euphrates; and the “water” thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the East (eastern block – Russia and China – see Ezek. 38-39 and Rev. 9:16) might be prepared.

*The Euphrates begins in Southeast Turkey and runs through both Syria and Iraq before becoming the Shatt al-Arab waterway that forms the border between Iraq and Iran, over which they regularly dispute.

The “water” thereof is referring to the people of these 4 countries, who will either be killed or displaced from that area (dried up) as a result of the ongoing, manufactured regional conflict, which is precisely what is happening RIGHT NOW, and is about to go GLOBAL.

So what “waters” are being referenced in Genesis 1:6-8, and why were the heavens and earth needed to separate them? This too is explained in the book of Revelation.

Revelation 12:1-9

12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman (Israel) clothed with the “sun”, and the “moon” under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars (the Crown of Israel – one star per tribe):
12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered (John 16:21).
12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies – John 8:35 – John 8:44 KJV) drew the third part of the “Stars” (Rev. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ – second coming).
12:5 And she brought forth a Man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] His Throne.
12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore “days”.
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you – Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

From the passage above, 1/3rd of the “Stars” of heaven (Angels/Spirit-Beings) were drawn into Lucifer/Satan’s army in a coup attempt to replace God as The King Ruler of the Universe (Isaiah 14:12-17). In His Infinite Mercy, instead of executing us outright for treason, God separated us from the other 2/3rds and banished us to the Earth, to be rehabilitated (Gen. 1:26).

The firmament not only serves to surround and protect us, but also to protect the rest of the Universe from us. The remaining 2/3rds of the Angels of Heaven, who fought with God and Prince Michael (Christ) against Satan and Satan’s followers (us – Luke 9:55, Matt. 7:11), are voluntarily serving as prison guards, or guardian angels if you prefer, in this maximum-security prison-planet reform school for the criminally-insane.

Thinking that the firmament is a beaten metal dome (that meteors pass through?), as some have suggested, is nothing more than humans trying to personify (humanize) God and His Creation. In the beginning, when man could do nothing, he did not humanize God and believed that God could do everything, as He, in fact, can. Now that man can do a few simple things, like building missiles and computers, and has let his ego fool him into thinking that he is really clever and a law unto himself, he has tried to humanize God, saying to himself, in his stupid arrogance, that if he can not do a thing, and being able to do it is beyond his imagination and comprehension, then God can’t possibly do it either. All part of the backwards, egotistical “geocentric” thinking that got all of us sent to this prison-planet in the first place.

God is NOT a human, and His power and ability are beyond the comprehension and imagination of every one of us put together. There is NOTHING that He cannot do. He does NOT build things the way men do nor does He think as men do. Just look at the human biological machines that we are currently incarnating, which self-repair if not too badly damaged and self-reproduce, and compare them to the crude bits of wires, metal and plastic we use to build things.

Our Heavenly Father is the FIRM Foundation this world is built upon. He is the Base of the Pillar, He is the Support Structure, and it is He that is the Immovable, Unchanging center of the Universe, NOT us. He is the Rock of our Salvation and does NOT build worlds (plural) the way humans imagine their own structures, with frames, corners, foundations, columns, pillars and overhead roofs, etc.

We don’t need science to tell us the heliocentric model of the solar system is correct because God has already made it crystal clear, and the message is repeated DAILY. The difficulty is people today don’t listen to Him.

Every day the sun rises, bringing light, warmth and life to this very dark world. Without the sun, and its life-giving energy in the form of light and heat, we would remain in perpetual darkness (and spiritual ignorance). Life would be impossible without sunlight.

Christ is The Light of this world (John 8:3, John 8:12 KJV). He is the Sun of Righteousness, who has arisen with healing in His Wings (Mal. 4). And the enlightenment that Christ brings to this very dark and uneducated world is just like the sun, which rises in the East and shines forth even unto the West (Matt. 24:27).

As seen from Earth, the sun RULES the sky, as it is the closest “star” to us. This is not to get us to worship the sun itself, but to serve AS A SIGN of the coming rule on Earth by the Sun of Righteousness (Mal. 4:2) as the King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16).

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for SIGNS, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Everyone’s lives should revolve around Christ as He is not only the Light, Love and Life-Energy of this world, but also THE Example we must follow to learn The Way home .

It therefore makes perfect sense that the Earth revolves around the sun, to send the correct spiritual message to the primitive inhabitants of this planet. Only our arrogance, which is really ignorance, would convince us to think otherwise. The Bible does NOT teach the Earth is flat; MEN try to teach the Bible says that, in direct contradiction of Christ’s explicit instructions.

Matthew 23:10 Neither be ye called masters (teachers): for one is your Master/Teacher, [even] Christ.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and materialism.


The reason that Jesus told his disciples, that he had many things still to tell them, but that they could not bear them yet, was because, if He had told them all the things in this Book (Rev. 10:7-10, 2:17), even they would have thought He was crazy, like many people already did. How could you explain spaceships, etc., to the simple mentality of 2000 years ago? You have to consider what the mentality was like in those times, spaceships?; angels?; other planets?; souls?; reform-school for another planet?; space-travel? There will be people, even now, after 2000 years, who will not believe, even though they have seen Earth’s own very crude spaceships, etc.

                                 – excerpt from The Way home or face The Fire by JAH


Clearly our physical world is 3-Dimensional. A 3-D sphere always appears as a 2-D circle when viewed from ANY direction. How would YOU describe a sphere to the simple mentality that existed thousands of years ago, within the confines of a language that had no direct word for a sphere?

God is omnipresent and changeless, so the ONLY way God could be visualized sitting on the circle of the earth (Isa. 40:22), from any and every direction, is if the Earth is a sphere. It should therefore be self-evident that this verse not only tells us the Earth is spherical, but also that God is everywhere. No other shape works to convey this important spiritual message, made manifest repeatedly and consistently in our physical surroundings (and in every other heavenly body).

THINK about it.

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the North over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon NOTHING.

Hopefully this spiritual message will break through your human defenses to the slumbering spirit within. The sleeper MUST awaken (Eph. 5:14) to view the world through spiritual eyes instead of human ones (John 3:3-12).

If you see the truth in what’s been shared, the best and only way to make the most of what little time remains is to read, study and put into practice The Survival Plan, which is the “little book” (Rev. 10:7-10) entitled The Way home or face The Fire by JAH. The title is self-explanatory.

Peace be upon you.

All scriptural quotes are from the King of kings’ Bible, which, like the Survival Plan, is available as a free gift to the world.

The King of kings’ Bible


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 A Freeman    664
2 minutes ago, YHZDK said:

Actually it does teach flat Earth. Sorry you like to be wrong on purpose.

It isn't me you're calling wrong. It's the Bible. Nowhere in it does it say, either directly or by implication, that the Earth is flat. Humans are the ones who say the Earth is flat, in direct contradiction of the Scriptures.


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 YHZDK    6
1 minute ago, A Freeman said:

It isn't me you're calling wrong. It's the Bible. Nowhere in it does it say, either directly or by implication, that the Earth is flat. Humans are the ones who say the Earth is flat, in direct contradiction of the Scriptures.


Wrong the scripture doesn't say Earth is a ball that spins. Scripture also says its the Sun, Moon and Star that move and Earth is immovable like your faulty logic.

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 A Freeman    664
12 minutes ago, YHZDK said:

We are here to figure out the truth. Not to believe nasa and the lying space agencies buddy. What are you a shill? lol.

One doesn't need to believe in NASA to realize we live on a spherical-shaped Earth. We have many thousands of geodetic surveyors who have taken millions of very precise measurements to prove beyond any REASONABLE doubt that the Earth is NOT flat. Perhaps you should spend some time researching that particular subject (Geodesy).

The flat Earth model and map fails at every level to represent observable reality.

On a separate but somewhat related subject, you do realize that Santa is an obvious anagram for Satan don't you?

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 YHZDK    6
15 hours ago, YHZDK said:

Wrong the scripture doesn't say Earth is a ball that spins. Scripture also says its the Sun, Moon and Star that move and Earth is immovable like your faulty logic.

Couldn't address this post. lol.

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 A Freeman    664
8 minutes ago, YHZDK said:

Couldn't address this post. lol.

The OP should suffice as answer enough. Please take the time to review the "Flattening the Flat Earth Theory..." video, which refutes the incorrect Scriptural interpretations that proponents of FE like to use as "proof" that the Earth is stationary. It is the circuit (i.e. orbital path) of the Earth that is fixed, NOT the Earth itself.

God Bless.

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 A Freeman    664

This is a great video that every FE-er should take the time to thoroughly review.

There is no "missing curve" or "bulge"; it is right there in front of everyone's eyes. It just requires learning to take proper measurements and understanding what is actually being viewed.

Taking proper measurements requires the establishment of a horizontal tangent line perpendicular to a level and plumbed instrument at a given spot. This is NOT the same as the line of sight.

In the video above Jesse Kozlowski uses a T2 theodolite to illustrate that from the correct horizontal tangent line, the curvature is right there in front of everyone's eyes. A level line shot from an elevation of 11.6' is clearly over a 59 foot high lighthouse 8.5 miles away.

Most if not all FE-ers are applying the drop formula INCORRECTLY to the line-of-sight and then wondering why they don't see a drop.

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