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Fort McMurray wildfire burning so hot, only weather can stop it

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The conditions that preceded the start of this fire were quintessential wildfire conditions: a seemingly endless supply of dry fuel on the forest floor and in the canopy, and intense heat. All that was needed was a spark, and whether it was caused by human error or lightning (an investigation is underway), once the spark was there, the fire became a beast. 

"You hate to use the cliché, but it really was kind of a perfect storm," says Mike Wotton, a research scientist with the Canadian Forest Service and adjunct professor in the faculty of forestry at UBC in Vancouver. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/alberta-wildfire-science-background-1.3565932

88,000 people evacuated from Fort Mac alone, 1,600 buildings burned. So far. Fire is completely out of control.

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You would think that the Canadian Forest Service would have seen this coming from a mile a way, and done something to try and prevent it.  WTF have they been doing before this, playing WoW all day?

 

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26 minutes ago, Frankenstein said:

You would think that the Canadian Forest Service would have seen this coming from a mile a way, and done something to try and prevent it.  WTF have they been doing before this, playing WoW all day?

 

It's an extremely early fire season (fire bans went on in BC April 2, normal is July if at all) and most firefighters haven't even gone through training. Also Premier Nolty cut the budget for the forest service so when this fire got going they didn't whack it, expecting a much worse season to come. This fire alone has consumed the entire wildfire budget of Alberta. In BC we already have 100s of fires to deal with so what help we can give is limited.

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6 minutes ago, Brio said:

It's an extremely early fire season (fire bans went on in BC April 2, normal is July if at all) and most firefighters haven't even gone through training. Also Premier Nolty cut the budget for the forest service so when this fire got going they didn't whack it, expecting a much worse season to come. This fire alone has consumed the entire wildfire budget of Alberta. In BC we already have 100s of fires to deal with so what help we can give is limited.

I read an article about a month back that early fire season is happening all over the North American continent, and yes the budget issue isn't just affecting Canada.  U.S. Forest Service has also run out their usual fire fighting budget over the years because of the new extended fire season, and have been asking congress to increase the budget. 

As the climate continues to change, this will only get worse. 

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Wildfires have been part of the American continent since well before Columbus opened it up for colonization. American Indians , who were good stewards of the land, regularly started wildfires when nature was behind schedule. Burning suppresses woody vegetation and allows grasslands to thrive and encourage abundant wildlife. Early settlers were surprised by the great wealth of deer and other game animals. Except for squirrels and rodents, most desirable species live on prairies or edges of woodlands, not underneath the shady canopy of mature forests. European settlers and their descendants never understood the unique ecosystem they stole. 

Annual or semi-annual burns are healthy for the environment. Suppressing them for years and decades only builds up the fire load so that when that first spark catches, it goes out of control. Some tree species, like the wonderful longleaf pine, need fire to germinate seeds or expose bare soil. Same thing with native canebrakes. Indians used them for basketweaving and many other practical uses. Whites cut them down, which has contributed to the extinction of animals like the Bachman's Warbler, which is now probably extirpated.

Will humans ever learn how to be good stewards of the earth? Imo, no. Gore and his lib buddies have no clue. Climate change is cyclical, with humans doing much more damage with selfish land use that has nothing to do with burning fossil fuels. 

Sorry, Canada, but Mother Nature always bats last. 

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I like how their neighbors to the north stepped up and offered shelter for the people that lost their homes, well in advance of The Red Cross or any gov agency. This is how "socialism" really works - person to person from the heart, not by mandate.

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lets be clear folks. slash, burn, evacuate whitey.

build tons of low income housing on the land that is no longer wanted by whitey and look! now we have an huge swath of land for the huge influx of muslim colonists. 

that land is still, in its current state, better than anything theyve had before. plus all the freebies.

go canada

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There have been a lot of complaints of the fire departments letting fires grow to massive size before they even try to put them out. I've had it happen 2 times where I am. Luckily no homes were burned, but there is another area where I believe 400 houses burned and people were saying the same. Overtime! The budget thing is becoming an issue, can't imagine why with this kind of mismanagement, can you?  They'll just make the taxpayers pay more if they run out of money, emergency and relevancy of their services you know? 

I watched a fire on the side of the road, very small, easy to get trucks to, easy access, small fire. I drove by an hour later it was a raging inferno and the first truck to get there blew past me on the road. 

I saw this happen with another fire that was about 1/4 mile from my house. It was burning up the ridge, they let it burn and burn and burn. At the last minute (in the dark mind you) they brought in machinery to make firebreaks. 

What are these firemen doing all the time when there are no fires?  Training? Some good training would be prevention, but the are not doing it. 

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Wow, just wow, this is terrible! Have you seen these vids yet?

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Insane eh? BC has a Mars bomber that the owners want to send to Fort Mac, it's worth a dozen regular water bombers but govt regulations won't allow it outside the province because it's privately owned. Govt just fuks everything up every time.

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39 minutes ago, Brio said:

Insane eh? BC has a Mars bomber that the owners want to send to Fort Mac, it's worth a dozen regular water bombers but govt regulations won't allow it outside the province because it's privately owned. Govt just fuks everything up every time.

Maybe they are eating more gmo and drinking more fluoride than we are? Maybe their handlers have to keep them stupid too.  That is just insane, I hope the people are up in arms about that debacle. Good luck to all my northern neighbors! 

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