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Seattle grapples with fallout from $15 minimum wage policy

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15.00 an hour and workers are asking for fewer hours because they lose their food stamps, child care and other benefits, including housing allowances. "Unintended consequences" are when you make 15.00 an hour and have to live on it like everyone else and you still can't live. 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4367584032001/seattle-grapples-with-fallout-from-15-minimum-wage-policy/?intcmp=hpbt3#sp=show-clips

Los Angeles County just went to 15.00 an hr. min wage and NYC is considering it. 

 

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Seattle’s $15 minimum wage law is supposed to lift workers out of poverty and move them off public assistance. But there may be a hitch in the plan.

Evidence is surfacing that some workers are asking their bosses for fewer hours as their wages rise – in a bid to keep overall income down so they don’t lose public subsidies for things like food, child care and rent.

Full Life Care, a home nursing nonprofit, told KIRO-TV in Seattle that several workers want to work less.

“If they cut down their hours to stay on those subsidies because the $15 per hour minimum wage didn’t actually help get them out of poverty, all you’ve done is put a burden on the business and given false hope to a lot of people,” said Jason Rantz, host of the Jason Rantz show on 97.3 KIRO-FM.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/22/seattle-sees-fallout-from-15-minimum-wage-as-other-cities-follow-suit.html?intcmp=hpbt3

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Evidence is surfacing that some workers are asking their bosses for fewer hours as their wages rise – in a bid to keep overall income down so they don’t lose public subsidies for things like food, child care and rent.

yep, ppl been doing this for years. I first came across it in 2002 at a business.

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We have a similar minimum wage in NZ, but we are working towards a "living wage" of somewhere between $18-25NZD an hour.

If you don't work you get around $120-140 a week to live on as a benefit. (plus they subsidize part of your rent) If you work and you have a family and earn under 60K a year you get a "working for families allowance" which comes close to returning the tax you pay weekly out of your wages. Tax rate is 28% here across the board. In addition we have 15% added on to goods and services.

Wages are taxed upon payment. It is called PAYE (pay as you earn) so no-one can not pay their income tax if they are working for someone else as it is done automatically. (a system to avoid tax avoidance) But we do have free healthcare which is paid for our of our taxes as the NZ govt still owns our hospitals. At least we didn't have to sell them to the corporations after 1987. We did have to sell many other state owned assets (what our grandparents worked to build up as state owned assets are really the people's assets). The lower your utilities are the cheaper the cost of living and thereby increasing the amount of disposable income you have to spend which drives the domestic economy.

 

The more money people have left over after paying the bills the more money they have to spend in the domestic economy, their disposable income. The higher your disposable income the more prosperous your nation is. After WWII the USA had the highest rate of disposable income in the world and that is what made the US economy and nation prosperous. The more money people have to spend the more they will spend which increases retail sales and employs people. The higher your taxes the less disposable income is available. The higher your utilities charges are the less disposable income your nation will have which impairs your domestic economy.

 

Basically the US government has been forbidden by the US industrialist from competing with them. The Corporations own your utilities and try and obtain as much profit from them as possible which increases the cost of living which reduces disposable income which in turn creates economic down turns. Rabid profit taking without government regulation capping profits is what has screwed the US economy. In this we see once again the US Business Mafia controls the US government to the detriment of the average person and indeed the entire nation while they themselves profit while playing violins as the US economy burns around them.

 

Simply put the more money your people have to spend the better your domestic economy works. If you cut that margin by rabid profit taking (charging exorbitant rates for domestic utilities and services)it kills your domestic economy. Any economics student can tell you that, so why does big business do so knowing it is effectively cutting their own throats in the long run? It is like they don't really understand economics.

 

You can keep wages low if you keep the cost of living down like they do in China. That is how they can afford to pay their people such low wages because those low wages have good purchasing power within China. (and also keeps the people from obtaining enough money to leave China as everywhere else the cost of living is very high compared to theirs and their money won't stretch that far when converted).

 

The US economy will never recover unless the cost of living can be reduced. As the US government doesn’t own the utilities they are powerless to do anything about it. In simple terms every time the cost of utilities rises workers should also demand an immediate pay increase otherwise the situation which has occurred will occur.

 

The USA can't compete with China nor even Mexico because the US worker is expensive by comparison. They are expensive because of the higher cost of living. So you either have to lower the cost of living or raise wages (which makes the US worker uncompetitive globally). The obvious solution is to nationalize all Utilities and run them a fraction above cost price, but that can't happen in the USA because the US business Mafia runs the US government.

 

It is hard to watch from afar these bandits and robber barons gutting the USA and it's people with no resistance. It seems they seek to bring the US economy down and crash it so they can impose such a low standard of living the USA will be able to compete with third world manufacturing costs. That is why I always urge resistance. The longer you leave it the harder it will be.

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Hours were cut in many places so that the people were called part time workers instead of full time because Obamacare forces employers to pay for insurance for full time workers. Walmart pays low wages and their employees are on welfare, too. It's one big taxpayer funded subsidy for billionaires such as Walmart. 

If taxes were cut we would also have more disposable income to keep the economy running, but that's not going to happen. Everyone wants a chunk of your money here. 

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29 minutes ago, Cinnamon said:

Hours were cut in many places so that the people were called part time workers instead of full time because Obamacare forces employers to pay for insurance for full time workers. Walmart pays low wages and their employees are on welfare, too. It's one big taxpayer funded subsidy for billionaires such as Walmart. 

If taxes were cut we would also have more disposable income to keep the economy running, but that's not going to happen. Everyone wants a chunk of your money here. 

In NZ the NZ government owns the hospitals. They don't charge health insurance, if they did it would raise the cost of living. Because the hospitals are "Not for Profit" but are instead run as humanitarian institutions the cost of healthcare is kept low.  They don't mark up the price of the medicine or staff to make profits. When you have health insurance paying for your hospital treatment the hospitals charge exorbitant prices because they think it will be covered by the health insurance. Effectively they are price gouging.

 

If the US government actually owned the US hospitals rather than private corporations they could reduce the cost of every procedure by over 400%. This is what happens to your nation when you let Corporations run your domestic services and utilities.  They wage economic warfare on your nation and people. They are in it for the profits, not to provide humanitarian support for their fellow man. The more expensive they are the higher health insurance has to be which robs you of disposable income which wrecks your domestic economy over time to the point where employers have to pay higher wages or the worker can't afford to live.

 

The US system has been screwed up by the big business people. They have been profiting at the expense of the nation. I call it economic terrorism and you should to. They should be thrown in Guantanamo as their actions have caused the US economy to be severely hampered and they have done so deliberately.

 

Governments exist to regulate. The US government has abdicated it responsibility to regulate US business responsibly(because they are bribed to not regulate as would be fiscally responsible). This has lead to expenses rising and wages not rising to match.

 

Imagine if US employers didn't have to pay health insurance but instead there was Free health care paid for out of your regular taxes. Imagine if no US person had to pay Health insurance, how much better off would they be per month? How much more money would they have to spend within the domestic economy?

The solutions to the US economic problems are simple. But the US government will never implement them as they are in the pockets of the very corporations wrecking the US economy. No-one should be profiting off domestic services or utilities in any nation as it is to the detriment of that nation's economy and people.

Right now the largest corporations in the USA are stealing your future right from under you and no-one is doing anything let alone the government who's allocated task it is to prevent such things. What are you going to do about it? Sit and watch it all go to hell?

 

If you can explain to US people simply what I have you will have their support. No one wants to change if it will not advantage them. But if you can show them how much better off they will be then they will be willing to listen and perhaps act on it. Nationalize all the US utilities and services and run them just above breaking even and you can reduce the cost of living which would immediately strengthen the US domestic economy back to what it used to be without having to raise wages. It isn't rocket science or brain surgery but is simple common sense. That said what does no US economist suggest as I have done? (probably because they would get JFK'ed)

 

This is why I assert the USA is run by the largest US corporations and not by the people for the people. As those same corporations own the US Media, they block these types of messages from getting through. So what is their end game considering they are slowly but surely gutting the US economy? Will they just leave one day or will they try and force totalitarianism as then they can pay workers subsistence and become economically competitive globally?

If you do nothing now it will only get harder later. It isn't just you it will affect, it is your offspring as well going into the future. Do you really want to tell them, "Yeah the nation is screwed because we sat aside and did nothing despite being told what was going to happen"?  Can the good responsible people of the USA live with themselves if they allowed that?

 

So spread the word. That is why we invented CT sites to do, to spread the word to stop exactly these things that are happening now from happening. Make the message easy to understand. Show people how they will be better off and far worse off in the future years if they do not. Take your country back from the corporations who are stealing your future so they can be rich and your masters. The weak link in their chain is the Media. Expose them and you take away their power to influence the US population on mass. They are the ones leading around the US people by the nose, distracting them from the real situation and misdirecting them.

 

Or do nothing and watch it all go to hell. Those are your only options at this stage. It isn't going to fix itself, no-one will ride in on white horses to save everyone, there are no NESARA funds going to be dished out to everyone, no galactic federation of Light in space ships going to save everyone, no Nobody to wave his magic hands and fix everything. Just you and yours. No-one else can help you. You either have the guts to sort it out or you lay down and let them roll right over you. Which is the American way?

 

( I hope I muster a compelling argument. If I was a US citizen they would throw me in Guantanamo for saying such things. Does that sound like Liberty to you?)

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21 minutes ago, daersoulkeeper said:

Guitar guy wrote a books reply

Guitar Doc (from New Zealand) cares more for America than Americans do. People won't wake up until they're living in a tent and by that time they're already broke, literally and figuratively.

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4 hours ago, Guitar Doc said:

In NZ the NZ government owns the hospitals. They don't charge health insurance, if they did it would raise the cost of living. Because the hospitals are "Not for Profit" but are instead run as humanitarian institutions the cost of healthcare is kept low.  They don't mark up the price of the medicine or staff to make profits. When you have health insurance paying for your hospital treatment the hospitals charge exorbitant prices because they think it will be covered by the health insurance. Effectively they are price gouging.

 

If the US government actually owned the US hospitals rather than private corporations they could reduce the cost of every procedure by over 400%. This is what happens to your nation when you let Corporations run your domestic services and utilities.  They wage economic warfare on your nation and people. They are in it for the profits, not to provide humanitarian support for their fellow man. The more expensive they are the higher health insurance has to be which robs you of disposable income which wrecks your domestic economy over time to the point where employers have to pay higher wages or the worker can't afford to live.

 

The US system has been screwed up by the big business people. They have been profiting at the expense of the nation. I call it economic terrorism and you should to. They should be thrown in Guantanamo as their actions have caused the US economy to be severely hampered and they have done so deliberately.

 

Governments exist to regulate. The US government has abdicated it responsibility to regulate US business responsibly(because they are bribed to not regulate as would be fiscally responsible). This has lead to expenses rising and wages not rising to match.

 

Imagine if US employers didn't have to pay health insurance but instead there was Free health care paid for out of your regular taxes. Imagine if no US person had to pay Health insurance, how much better off would they be per month? How much more money would they have to spend within the domestic economy?

The solutions to the US economic problems are simple. But the US government will never implement them as they are in the pockets of the very corporations wrecking the US economy. No-one should be profiting off domestic services or utilities in any nation as it is to the detriment of that nation's economy and people.

Right now the largest corporations in the USA are stealing your future right from under you and no-one is doing anything let alone the government who's allocated task it is to prevent such things. What are you going to do about it? Sit and watch it all go to hell?

 

If you can explain to US people simply what I have you will have their support. No one wants to change if it will not advantage them. But if you can show them how much better off they will be then they will be willing to listen and perhaps act on it. Nationalize all the US utilities and services and run them just above breaking even and you can reduce the cost of living which would immediately strengthen the US domestic economy back to what it used to be without having to raise wages. It isn't rocket science or brain surgery but is simple common sense. That said what does no US economist suggest as I have done? (probably because they would get JFK'ed)

 

This is why I assert the USA is run by the largest US corporations and not by the people for the people. As those same corporations own the US Media, they block these types of messages from getting through. So what is their end game considering they are slowly but surely gutting the US economy? Will they just leave one day or will they try and force totalitarianism as then they can pay workers subsistence and become economically competitive globally?

If you do nothing now it will only get harder later. It isn't just you it will affect, it is your offspring as well going into the future. Do you really want to tell them, "Yeah the nation is screwed because we sat aside and did nothing despite being told what was going to happen"?  Can the good responsible people of the USA live with themselves if they allowed that?

 

So spread the word. That is why we invented CT sites to do, to spread the word to stop exactly these things that are happening now from happening. Make the message easy to understand. Show people how they will be better off and far worse off in the future years if they do not. Take your country back from the corporations who are stealing your future so they can be rich and your masters. The weak link in their chain is the Media. Expose them and you take away their power to influence the US population on mass. They are the ones leading around the US people by the nose, distracting them from the real situation and misdirecting them.

 

Or do nothing and watch it all go to hell. Those are your only options at this stage. It isn't going to fix itself, no-one will ride in on white horses to save everyone, there are no NESARA funds going to be dished out to everyone, no galactic federation of Light in space ships going to save everyone, no Nobody to wave his magic hands and fix everything. Just you and yours. No-one else can help you. You either have the guts to sort it out or you lay down and let them roll right over you. Which is the American way?

 

( I hope I muster a compelling argument. If I was a US citizen they would throw me in Guantanamo for saying such things. Does that sound like Liberty to you?)

Lol! Well your 100% right. The only thing is this house of cards is gonna crash fast and hard. There is no way to escape it. Even if everyone here was aware tomorrow about the events that are on the very near horizon it's too late. The only thing is that maybe a vast majority of of people might start getting food stores in order for the very real calamity that's gonna befall us so it might not hurt as bad. That being said our national debt is to the point of no return and like you said this has been in the works for a very long time. Once this happens there will be a civil war. Mostly by those in our society who have been told that they deserve it because of oppression! So between the makers and the takers. Only thing to do now is to gather as much as you can for you and yours and make your sure the relationships with other good folks of like mind get together and form communities now before the SHTF. It's the bonds we make before the collapse that I feel are the most trust worthy. Just my .02?

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