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The End of All Gender Identification and Roles

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Good "Old Nick" would be proud.

I feel like banning some of these establishments but I fear that it's a hopeless cause.  It's coming and it was engineered this way; just ask the President's tranny and Justinia Bieber.  Genderism is dead and the Lord laments. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/business/sweeping-away-gender-specific-toys-and-labels.html?nytmobile=0&_r=0 

From the article:

The gender barriers are breaking down, and both manufacturers and retailers are not labeling toys like they used to,” said Jim Silver, the editor in chief of TTPM, a toy review website. “The industry’s learned that you shouldn’t be labeling for a specific gender. There are so many girls who want to be Iron Man and Captain America, and boys who want to play with Easy-Bake.”

The shift is part of a wider movement in retail to blur gender lines, as society moves beyond stereotypes, and celebrities as varied as Caitlyn Jenner and Jaden Smith put a spotlight on an array of gender identities. In fashion, designers like Rad Hourani are creating androgynous labels, and top-tier designers, from Marc Jacobs to Hermès, are eroding the divide between feminine and masculine clothes.

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*smh* I knew the PC culture was cancer, but not even I, in my youth, saw it going this far. An age of confusion, brought upon by those that can't accept themselves, and need to put their issues on the next generation. Truth that hurts.

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I totally agree that blurring biological lines is not just idiotic and perverted but subversive. They want the ideas of families and natural created state to be obsolete. They also play into the ridiculous idea that reality is whatever we want it to be.

On the other hand, there is a very disturbing push to go the other extreme to make women property, deny them the right to vote or have their own money, and generally be under the authority and control of someone with male anatomical parts. They associate the evil blurring of biological lines with women's equality as human beings, and wish to turn back the clock to a time when men retained many privileges just for the flesh they were born in. It really is part of the entitlement mentality that has done so much harm to people.

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Feminization of men, masculinity in women. It reduces the population, destroys families, divides people, divides countries. And we are seeing a huge spike in the encouragement and acceptance.

its gonna take a lot of faith to get through this time in life. Because a vast majority choose to ' do as they Will'.

Storms coming 

“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:19-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
http://bible.us/1/rom.1.19-32.kjv

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16 minutes ago, WhiteHorse said:

Feminization of men, masculinity in women. It reduces the population, destroys families, divides people, divides countries. And we are seeing a huge spike in the encouragement and acceptance.

its gonna take a lot of faith to get through this time in life. Because a vast majority choose to ' do as they Will'.

Storms coming 

“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:19-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
http://bible.us/1/rom.1.19-32.kjv

Excellent scripture! Another claim in the NY Times article that is false is the idea that there is widespread support for this. They are catering to less than 1% of the population. That isn't capitalism; that is social engineering for Old Nick's purposes.

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6 hours ago, Last1oftheJedi said:

*smh* I knew the PC culture was cancer, but not even I, in my youth, saw it going this far. An age of confusion, brought upon by those that can't accept themselves, and need to put their issues on the next generation. Truth that hurts.

Sadly, this article trashed any hopes I had that things will get better. Where are the Christian religions?

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We should also deal with the issue of personality and individual autonomy, within the bounds God has set. What we think of as innate masculine or feminine behavior is largely sociological and often stereotypical. For example, online I'm almost always presumed to be a man, just because of how I write and think. I spent time this summer learning how to make portable wood gas stoves from tin cans (see https://youtu.be/6qnGdjkwA9o ), which involves work typically done by men. I spent my college and working years in technology, both hardware and software, and would rather chop wood than wash dishes. I hate dresses (and shoes!), carry a small wallet rather than a purse filled with junk, and haven't been to a hair salon in decades. Yet my husband and I passed our 26th anniversary recently, our sons are excelling in school (older one an honors student in computer science at college), and I homeschooled them in the early grades. I don't try to present myself as a man, and my husband doesn't try to present himself as a woman. But many would condemn both of us as not playing our expected roles in society. Hubby is a decent cook but can also fix anything at all that goes wrong with the house, including plumbing, heating, cars, and computers. I did most of the childcare but can also host, code, design, and troubleshoot a website, and make little circuit boards to make video game controllers do things they shouldn't.

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3 minutes ago, Rothbard said:

Sadly, this article trashed any hopes I had that things will get better. Where are the Christian religions?

Hiding rape, pedophilia, embezzlement, homosexuality, and generally trying to keep the skeletons in their closets. Blackmailed people don't speak out.

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8 minutes ago, Challenger said:

We should also deal with the issue of personality and individual autonomy, within the bounds God has set. What we think of as innate masculine or feminine behavior is largely sociological and often stereotypical. For example, online I'm almost always presumed to be a man, just because of how I write and think. I spent time this summer learning how to make portable wood gas stoves from tin cans (see https://youtu.be/6qnGdjkwA9o ), which involves work typically done by men. I spent my college and working years in technology, both hardware and software, and would rather chop wood than wash dishes. I hate dresses (and shoes!), carry a small wallet rather than a purse filled with junk, and haven't been to a hair salon in decades. Yet my husband and I passed our 26th anniversary recently, our sons are excelling in school (older one an honors student in computer science at college), and I homeschooled them in the early grades. I don't try to present myself as a man, and my husband doesn't try to present himself as a woman. But many would condemn both of us as not playing our expected roles in society. Hubby is a decent cook but can also fix anything at all that goes wrong with the house, including plumbing, heating, cars, and computers. I did most of the childcare but can also host, code, design, and troubleshoot a website, and make little circuit boards to make video game controllers do things they shouldn't.

I agree with you. So, what are the roles of women and men if you think that many of these ideas are sociological? Why do you think they are trying to remove gender identification?

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On 10/28/2015 at 8:12 AM, Rothbard said:

I agree with you. So, what are the roles of women and men if you think that many of these ideas are sociological? Why do you think they are trying to remove gender identification?

The role of any individual shouldn't depend on their flesh. Biologically, people should be happy with the body they were born with, and only have intimate sexual relations with the opposite sex. Beyond that is simply a matter of personality, gifting, talent, interest, and ability. Both parents should work as a team to raise children, not as competitors or a hierarchy. My husband leads when he is the most talented or knowledgeable, and I lead when I am. We taught our sons to be kind, generous, industrious, and compassionate, and that this life is not the end. Equality of being does not cause anyone to become homosexual; I believe it's caused more by childhood trauma and peer pressure. Neither of our boys are confused about their sexuality; instead, they see that men and women are both fully human. In fact, it may be that some who turn to homosexuality did so because they didn't have the personality or interests that society forced upon them due to their biology. 

As for why they're trying to remove gender identity, it's all about perverting everything God ordained... and God did not ordain male privilege. (I wrote a book of detailed Bible study on the matter of hierarchy in Christianity, if anyone's interested:link removed In Christ, everyone is equal (Gal. 3:28), and people should all behave in a manner that glorifies Him. "Lording over", even benevolently, does not glorify God. But the motives of TPTB are to subvert natural affection, per the passage quoted above. Love is a foreign and frightening concept to them, so they replace it with lust, which also applies to hetero perversions such as porn and adultery and rape. While sexual perversion is clearly taught in both Testaments as sin, equality of men and women is never taught as sin. So instead of focusing on role playing, we need to focus on holy living and teamwork among equals ("submit to one another", not "some to others").

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1 hour ago, Challenger said:

We should also deal with the issue of personality and individual autonomy, within the bounds God has set. What we think of as innate masculine or feminine behavior is largely sociological and often stereotypical. For example, online I'm almost always presumed to be a man, just because of how I write and think. I spent time this summer learning how to make portable wood gas stoves from tin cans (see https://youtu.be/6qnGdjkwA9o ), which involves work typically done by men. I spent my college and working years in technology, both hardware and software, and would rather chop wood than wash dishes. I hate dresses (and shoes!), carry a small wallet rather than a purse filled with junk, and haven't been to a hair salon in decades. Yet my husband and I passed our 26th anniversary recently, our sons are excelling in school (older one an honors student in computer science at college), and I homeschooled them in the early grades. I don't try to present myself as a man, and my husband doesn't try to present himself as a woman. But many would condemn both of us as not playing our expected roles in society. Hubby is a decent cook but can also fix anything at all that goes wrong with the house, including plumbing, heating, cars, and computers. I did most of the childcare but can also host, code, design, and troubleshoot a website, and make little circuit boards to make video game controllers do things they shouldn't.

Even in societies that were untouched by stereotypical social order men did the work such as hunt and haul large game, protect, and women gathered, nurtured the children, and tended to the household. I use native Americans as an example. Men's anatomies were designed by God to be more physically adapt for these purposes, likewise women for their roles. When the lines were blurred which is a  definent result from social pressure, feminist movement. Women no longer wanted to have the role as the weaker vessel, which was designed by God. I see more children confused by this. In a household that live by the precepts and statutes of God the blurring of the line between what men and women's roles are will not take place, but in a secular home the lines will be blurred and it will be detrimental to the gender development and identity of a child's role in Gods social order. 

“Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
http://bible.us/1/1pe.3.7.kjv

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1 hour ago, Challenger said:

The role of any individual shouldn't depend on their flesh. Biologically, people should be happy with the body they were born with, and only have intimate sexual relations with the opposite sex. Beyond that is simply a matter of personality, gifting, talent, interest, and ability. Both parents should work as a team to raise children, not as competitors or a hierarchy. My husband leads when he is the most talented or knowledgeable, and I lead when I am. We taught our sons to be kind, generous, industrious, and compassionate, and that this life is not the end. Equality of being does not cause anyone to become homosexual; I believe it's caused more by childhood trauma and peer pressure. Neither of our boys are confused about their sexuality; instead, they see that men and women are both fully human. In fact, it may be that some who turn to homosexuality did so because they didn't have the personality or interests that society forced upon them due to their biology. 

As for why they're trying to remove gender identity, it's all about perverting everything God ordained... and God did not ordain male privilege. (I wrote a book of detailed Bible study on the matter of hierarchy in Christianity, if anyone's interested: http://books.fether.net/index.php?theBook=NIC ) In Christ, everyone is equal (Gal. 3:28), and people should all behave in a manner that glorifies Him. "Lording over", even benevolently, does not glorify God. But the motives of TPTB are to subvert natural affection, per the passage quoted above. Love is a foreign and frightening concept to them, so they replace it with lust, which also applies to hetero perversions such as porn and adultery and rape. While sexual perversion is clearly taught in both Testaments as sin, equality of men and women is never taught as sin. So instead of focusing on role playing, we need to focus on holy living and teamwork among equals ("submit to one another", not "some to others").

Did you write all of those books?  If so, I'm going to have to download the Kindle version and read them. 

Does your personal religion parallel any organized religion or what organized religion best represents your beliefs (e.g. Calvinism)?  If your religion isn't paralleled by an organized religion, what beliefs separate you from the rest?

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