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Ukshep

A popular conspiracy theory is spreading in the Trump family. It’s totally false.

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They can deny, and deny, and deny all they want!

The unemployment rate is not a conspiracy. It is not manipulated by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And anyone who suggests otherwise is either uninformed, or trying to misinform others.

Which is to say that you shouldn't listen to Donald Trump & Co. For a year now, the alleged billionaire has insisted that the "real" unemployment rate is something like 42 percent instead of the 4.9 percent it actually is. He hasn't said how he's gotten this — maybe it's from the same "extremely credible source" who told him President Obama's birth certificate was fake? — but the simplest explanation is that he's just ballparking how many adults don't work. That's 40.4 percent right now. The problem with using that number, though, is that it counts college students and stay-at-home parents and retirees as being equally "unemployed" as people who are actively looking for work but can't find any. So it doesn't tell us too much, at least not on its own, unless you think it's a problem that we have more 70-year-olds than we used to.

Or unless conspiracy theories are one of your favorite accessories, as seems to be the case with the father, and now the son, Donald Trump Jr. On Sunday, he told CNN's Jake Tapper that the official unemployment numbers are "artificial" ones that are "massaged to make the existing economy look good" and "this administration look good." How do they supposedly do this? By, he claimed, defining "the way we actually measure unemployment" to be that "after x number of months, if someone can't find a job, congratulations, they're miraculously off" the jobless rolls. The only problem with this theory is it's false. The BLS hasn't changed the way it measures unemployment during the Obama years, and there is zero evidence it has changed the numbers themselves. Not only that, but Donald Trump Jr. doesn't even seem to know how unemployment is defined in the first place. As the BLS explains, everyone who doesn't have a job but is trying to find one counts as "unemployed." It doesn't matter how long you've been looking as long as you are, in fact, still looking.

But that's not to say the unemployment rate tells us everything we need to know about the labor market. It doesn't. Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen will tell you that herself. There are still a lot of people who want full-time but can only find part-time jobs. Still a lot of people who want to work but weren't able to find anything for so long that they've given up looking for now. And still a lot of people who would want to work again if wages were high enough to make it worth their while. But none of this is a secret. The BLS publishes all this, too. So-called broad unemployment includes all these people who technically aren't unemployed but aren't fully employed, either. That's 9.6 percent today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/26/a-popular-conspiracy-theory-is-gaining-ground-in-the-trump-family-its-totally-false/

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4 minutes ago, Ukshep said:

As the BLS explains, everyone who doesn't have a job but is trying to find one counts as "unemployed." It doesn't matter how long you've been looking as long as you are, in fact, still looking.

They actually spend tax dollars to track things like that?  Once you're outta unemployment bennies, you're out as far as I know.  How do they track this? Are people now required to fill out forms for them to keep track of their job habits?  If they're not giving me an unemployment check, I want nothing to do with them anymore. 

6 minutes ago, Ukshep said:

Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen will tell you that herself.

Oh, now there's someone I'd really believe. (sarc off) 

I've seen enough people become underemployed in the past 8 years to know that it's bad and there are few jobs out there that will pay enough to survive in any kind of comfort, it's watching people who don't have enough money to survive well and they suffer.  Foodstamps and ebt are used by 46,000,000 people in the U.S.  last I heard.  Many are able bodied people and lots of them want jobs. 

Bleh, I'd rather have Trump over react to unemployed people than the reaction we are getting from the oligarchs who no longer care what we see them do! 

 

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It's always been well established that whatever the govy claims the unemployment rate is, it's always 2 - 2 1/4 times higher.

Example: 10% = approx 22%.

It's a standard rule of thumb, though I think of late it may even be somewhat higher, so Donald may know something you don't.

Word has it that we have actually been in a depression, but people don't realize that yet and as soon as they do, that's when everything comes crashing down almost overnight.

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17 minutes ago, Cryptid Mold said:

It's always been well established that whatever the govy claims the unemployment rate is, it's always 2 - 2 1/4 times higher.

Example: 10% = approx 22%.

It's a standard rule of thumb, though I think of late it may even be somewhat higher, so Donald may know something you don't.

Word has it that we have actually been in a depression, but people don't realize that yet and as soon as they do, that's when everything comes crashing down almost overnight.

Ya know, Wile E. Coyote never actually falls until he realizes he is standing on thin air.

 

 

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The highest paid staticians in the world are paid to make numbers talk.

Psych students also know how to create surveys that get the answers you want from those you are surveying.

Combine the two and you can do magic. Use a PR company and you can make the majority of people believe your cooked up numbers.

 

Have a popular person who is creating a cult following and no genuine facts are required at all to get the followers to accept the suggestions.

 

Unemployment figures were always cooked up in NZ pre an election. What the government would do was put as many beneficiaries on training courses as possible threatening to cut their benefits if they didn't take the courses (often six month courses). The amount of people on the unemployment benefit would drop by 1-2% and the government would claim their management of the nation and economy was the reason.

 

When doing the reverse they would not count people who had jobs which gave less than 40 hours of employment each week as fully employed. This makes it look as if there is a lot of unemployment.

Clever people can rearrange the facts to reflect something which has no basis in reality...outside of paperwork that is.

 

Kids are unemployed, include them and you can bias figures. Include retired people and you can push it further.

Then show the working taxpayers who have to support those who are costing the nation money (and that includes military personnel and retired personnel) and you can make it look like the average wage earners are propping up the world on their shoulders.

That makes wage earners very cranky.

 

 

But we are of a superior intellect in the ct scene (at least the scene I joined was) as we very well know any pro or anti Trump or Hillary stories in the msm or alt media is pure propaganda and likely the work of a paid PR corporation.

If we were to be sucked in we lower the perception the ct scene and the sites we post on.

(The last paragraph is pure NLP as taught to PR firm employees. But does that make it any less true?)

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23 minutes ago, grav said:

Ya know, Wile E. Coyote never actually falls until he realizes he is standing on thin air.

 

 

 

There you go. Perfect analogy Grav.

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47 minutes ago, Cryptid Mold said:

It's always been well established that whatever the govy claims the unemployment rate is, it's always 2 - 2 1/4 times higher.

Example: 10% = approx 22%.

It's a standard rule of thumb, though I think of late it may even be somewhat higher, so Donald may know something you don't.

Word has it that we have actually been in a depression, but people don't realize that yet and as soon as they do, that's when everything comes crashing down almost overnight.

Depression?i can believe it,fix the price on gas,milk eggs,bread.Mess with some loan numbers and everyone thinks were good but in reality shiit is terrible.Its like a slow boil where the frog wont jump out!!!

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3 minutes ago, yaknow said:

Depression?i can believe it,fix the price on gas,milk eggs,bread.Mess with some loan numbers and everyone thinks were good but in reality shiit is terrible.Its like a slow boil where the frog wont jump out!!!

Yeh and the frogs been dead years... i'm not taking it out will you?

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10 minutes ago, Ukshep said:

Yeh and the frogs been dead years... i'm not taking it out will you?

Hey, depressed people are good for boosting drug sales, both legal an illegal.

Hell, Reuters is owned by a multi national pharmaceutical corporation, the other pharmaceutical companies have big shares in the msm and lucrative advertising contracts with them.....negative news is good business practice.

Make people depressed and in the next commercial break offer to sell them/get them addicted to the remedy.

What do the statistics say ( yeah I know, statistics right) 50% of US adults are on some antidepressant or other.

Pretty hard to wake the masses when they are drugged into submission.

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2 minutes ago, Guitar Doc said:

Hey, depressed people are good for boosting drug sales, both legal an illegal.

Hell, Reuters is owned by a multi national pharmaceutical corporation, the other pharmaceutical companies have big shares in the msm and lucrative advertising contracts with them.....negative news is good business practice.

Make people depressed and in the next commercial break offer to sell them/get them addicted to the remedy.

What do the statistics say ( yeah I know, statistics right) 50% of US adults are on some antidepressant or other.

Pretty hard to wake the masses when they are drugged into submission.

when you actually look at it. It becomes clear the war is on for the mind. The psychological side obviously forcing one question. Which group do you belong to? The drugged or undrugged! forget asleep or awake.

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100%.

A huge psych war. 

They use rhetoric like "you can't possibly win against your government" and if the suggestion is successful you won't even try.

 

There are no problems, just solutions.

No wonder they killed John and all the positive thinkers. They were getting too much traction with the people.

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Just now, Guitar Doc said:

100%.

A huge psych war. 

They use rhetoric like "you can't possibly win against your government" and if the suggestion is successful you won't even try.

 

There are no problems, just solutions.

No wonder they killed John and all the positive thinkers. They were getting too much traction with the people.

I've decided to finally put together a thread which will encompass many things and signs pertaining to the MIND WAR! I have tons of research on it and have already started on it now but will take all day mostly to create! might be a good read that you will enjoy. But it might fracture some peoples reality. It changed mine.

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