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Sovereignty of China is 'bottom line'

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'We cannot lose one centimeter of inheritance left by the ancestors,' nation's top diplomat says

Beijing said on Thursday that it will respond resolutely if any party seeks to use the ruling in the unilaterally initiated arbitration on the South China Sea to harm China's interests.

State Councilor Yang Jiechi said he expected the new Philippine government to properly handle the issue to "start a bright future for bilateral ties".

"The sovereignty issue is China's bottom line," Yang, China's top diplomat, said in an interview with Chinese media on the ruling.

"Though China is large, we cannot lose one centimeter of inheritance left by the ancestors," Yang said.

He added that China is willing to discuss temporary arrangements with other countries involved on partnerships for development in the sea.

The ruling, issued after an arbitration process that was unilaterally initiated by the government of former Philippines president Benigno Aquino, will not influence China's policy, Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang told a regular news briefing.

"We want to stress that if anyone wants to use the ruling to take any action that provokes China's interests, the Chinese side will definitely respond resolutely," he said.

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http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2016-07/15/content_26095109.htm

China is not happy about this. The U.S. backs the Philippines totally and probably had a lot to do with the decision on this issue, apparently Australia did too because they are specifically mentioned in this article.  Another reason to start a war if this is not resolved, chess pieces are lining up all over! 

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Foreign Ministry slams US-Korean THAAD deployment

A Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) interceptor is launched during a successful intercept test, in this undated handout photo provided by the US Department of Defense, Missile Defense Agency. [Photo/Agencies]

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has expressed strong dissatisfaction and firm opposition to the deployment of an advanced US missile-defense system in the Korean Peninsula.

The ministry's statement was released today, immediately after the Republic of Korea's defense ministry announced it had agreed with the United States to deploy the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system.

The system's deployment will do no good to the goal of denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula and it is harmful to maintaining peace and stability on the peninsula, the statement said.

The deployment goes against the efforts of all parties to resolve the issue through peaceful dialogue, and that it will seriously harm China's strategic security interests and regional strategic balance.

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http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2016-07/08/content_26015881.htm

Pissing off the world! One country at a time...

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They are pretty crafty people. They have been clever in the pacific region offering the island nations free military training and equipment for free to buy their support and good will.

It is why they gave nz a free trade deal and now we can't do without their trade. Now in a funny way they own us economically.

 

They are doing the same thing in Africa, building infrastructure for nothing for some African nations in 50:50 partnerships. It is a clever way to gain long term allies.

 

They know the US neocons want to go to war with them long term because it was outlined in PNAC ( plan for a new American century) so getting these islands is critical to protect their trade and shipping which without they would be not able to survive economically.

They are also buddying up to Russia as the US neocons also have them in the crosshairs.

Together they could probably hold off then take down the USA, but not own their own.

 

The neocons ( Hillary and Obama's backers) know if they don't take down China within 50 years China will be the dominant economic force in the world.

The neocons would lose their control.... They are not going to let that happen without a fight.

 

It is one of those things where a small group is willing to risk all our lives so they can retain power.

 

I'm not saying the Chinese are the good guys, they are just preparing for what they know is coming. If they can't secure those islands and territory they are unable to protect their trade and interests.

 

The neocons know they can't allow them to. It is a cold war of sorts.

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2 hours ago, Guitar Doc said:

Together they could probably hold off then take down the USA, but not own their own.

Yeah, an alliance between Russia and China was Brzezinski's nightmare.

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31 minutes ago, roamer said:

Yeah, an alliance between Russia and China was Brzezinski's nightmare.

Desperate for the Chinese as well, they biult a wall to keep the Russian people's out, now they have to cosy up...wonder if the Russian federation will stab them in the back at some inconvenient time.

Russia lacks ice free ports. All their other shipping routes are easily blocked ( I was talking to a former merchant seaman last week, he gave me low down on the draw backs of Russian shipping during winter.) China had ports they desire.

 

All comes down to lucrative business ventures, greed and long term objectives. Chinese think in terms of 100 year plans. They are patient.

By being the last ( bar Africa) to modernise thier peasants they get to go to modern and make a lot of cash in the process. They didn't have to spend on upgrading like most nations have, they got to go to peasant to modern consumer in one jump.

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2 hours ago, Guitar Doc said:

Russia lacks ice free ports. All their other shipping routes are easily blocked ( I was talking to a former merchant seaman last week, he gave me low down on the draw backs of Russian shipping during winter.) China had ports they desire.

This is one of the reasons why Crimea is very important for Russia, apart from historical reasons.

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21 minutes ago, roamer said:

This is one of the reasons why Crimea is very important for Russia, apart from historical reasons.

You understand the situation well.

 

The old guy I talked to made an interesting point of why NZ needed the USA and UK as allies.

 

He said where does NZ end and laughed when we said 12 miles offshore. He said NZ ends where our exports are landed and it starts where our imports come from.

In an island nation which is not self-sufficient this is an important distinction. Without our allies to protect out trade routes we go under in conflict.

He was suggesting that we drop our nuclear free policy and allow US warships back in NZ ports.

 

The French bombed a green peace anti nuclear protest ship in an NZ port. Killed one and the NZ public apprehended  some of the French agents. As a result NZ went nuclear free and US were barred from NZ ports.

The USA knew of the op and didn't tell our government. It wasn't appreciated and the NZ public took the decision out of the hands of the politicians.

 

And here we are now caught between the USA and China. One our military ally and the other our biggest trading partner.

Glad I am not a NZ politician.

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2 hours ago, Guitar Doc said:

And here we are now caught between the USA and China. One our military ally and the other our biggest trading partner.

Between a rock and a hard place. But other nations are in a similar situation, Australia, Japan and first and foremost Taiwan.

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2 hours ago, Guitar Doc said:

Russia lacks ice free ports. All their other shipping routes are easily blocked ( I was talking to a former merchant seaman last week, he gave me low down on the draw backs of Russian shipping during winter.) China had ports they desire.

I forgot to mention the Vladivostok port, it's a large warm water port in the Pacific.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19520628&id=eeUdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Pk4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6400,4630357&hl=en

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2 hours ago, Guitar Doc said:

Russia lacks ice free ports. All their other shipping routes are easily blocked ( I was talking to a former merchant seaman last week, he gave me low down on the draw backs of Russian shipping during winter.) China had ports they desire.

I'm harping about this topic, lol.

Russia and China have found another long-term strategy benefiting both sides: the New Silk Road. They have begun to build a high-speed railway network across Asia, because railway lines are cheaper and much faster than shipping lines. Another key phrase in this regard is "One Belt One Road" (OBOR), a combined trade network of railway and shipping lines -- unfortunately it is impossible to build railway lines across the sea, so they need both.
 

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The Silk Road revival started out as a modest idea floated in China’s Ministry of Commerce. The initial goal was nothing more than getting extra “contracts for Chinese construction companies overseas.” How far the country has traveled since then. Starting from zero in 2003, China has ended up building no less than 16,000 kilometers of high-speed rail tracks in these years – more than the rest of the planet combined.

And that’s just the beginning. Beijing is now negotiating with 30 countries to build another 5,000 kilometers of high-speed rail at a total investment of $157 billion. Cost is, of course, king; a made-in-China high-speed network (top speed: 350 kilometers an hour) costs around $17 million to $21 million per kilometer. Comparable European costs: $25 million to $39 million per kilometer. So no wonder the Chinese are bidding for an $18 billion project linking London with northern England, and another linking Los Angeles to Las Vegas, while outbidding German companies to lay tracks in Russia.

 

Silk Roads, Night Trains and the Third Industrial Revolution in China

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