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Psychic reading etc

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I do not want to derail the tread by @Cinnamon but it set me thinking.  There is a real conspiracy in the "work" of people like John Edward.  This guy has made millions off the same "Loosh" principle.  By careful and masterful "questioning" techniques he gets under the skin of people and because of their emotional attachment they are off-guard and 90% of their logic is tuned into his responses.

If you have not had the "pleasure" (sic) of witnessing one of his so called readings here is a small sample video below.  Now, I make the assumption that almost all CT people are highly intelligent (surely those I have met on this site are) and most are able to pick-up on the subtle nuances in a person' demeanor, yes?  Look at the sudden change is the body-language as he goes into his "craft" - the actual speed and modulation of the voice changes as well.

So, what do you think?  Read the logic below and then think again...

It is my humble opinion that one must be very careful with accepting the claims people make regarding the paranormal or future reading etc.  Lopsang Rampa's "Third Eye" comes to mind. If you read the other stuff he wrote you start to realise the man was a fruit!  One book was dictated by his cat, telepathy was the medium used by the cat.. 

 

Cold Reading  <<Source
 

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Among practitioners of the occult arts, there is a technique known as “cold reading.” When the performer is faced with an audience that is entirely strange to him, he uses this tried-and-true method of guessing names, relationships, events, and situations that might relate to audience members.
The technique is differentiated from “hot reading,” which is used when the reader has obtained specific, hard information about a sitter and merely has to reveal it in a convincing manner. U.K. author/historian Ian Wilson looked into the methods of one Doris Stokes, a prominent U.K. clairaudient, and discovered that the people for whom she had produced “evidential” messages were people who had contacted her in advance of the show, had given her information, and had then been invited to attend her meeting. The information she'd received from them was then given back to them and embellished upon. Mrs. Stokes's work serves well as an excellent example of hot reading.
Performing cold reading by throwing out common names and hoping that someone will “link” with one of them, following up by guessing or simply asking the relationship of a name that has been selected out and “accepted” by a sitter, the medium is well on the way to convincing an unwary listener that he or she has contacted the dead.
Here's the way it's done. Suppose that a sitter has accepted the name “Mary.” The medium can now say, “I want to put Mary close to you.” What does this really mean? It's really a question as to whether or not Mary is “close to” the sitter. In the worst-case scenario, where Mary is dead, is buried in another country, was never very fond of the sitter, and was not related to him, we might uncharitably fail to recognize how close that guess was. However, a clever medium can easily rescue this seemingly bad guess by saying, “Ah, but though Mary failed to tell you of her great affection for you while she was here, she has come through tonight to remedy all that.” Though it sounds hard to believe, sitters actually accept such excuses. They are more than willing to accept. And note that the reader did notsay that Mary was close to the sitter; what he said was only a comment, though certainly one that begged a response.
The cold reading routine includes a number of excellent methods for extracting information from the sitter without it appearing as if the medium has actually asked for it. Comments like “Why is this person laughing?” or “She's shaking her head as if to say no” will often elicit a response. As with the “Mary” comment earlier, some questions don't appear to be questions at all: “I get this person in spirit” or “Somehow, I feel Jim was related to you or lived near you” are examples. Even more useful are those modifiers that generalize or fuzz up the statement so that it has a greater chance of being successful or of evoking an answer. Phrases like “I think that . . .” or “I feel as if . . .” or “I want to say . . .” and many other try-ons are used for this purpose.
Other useful techniques: The reader can say “Yes, of course,” and then repeat to the sitter a fact that has just been given him, as if he knew it all along. Or he can say “Of course! I got that very strongly!” when he is given a fact that he didn't get at all. When he hears something from the sitter that appears to “link” up, he might declare “Now we're putting it all together,” even though the sitter is the one who is making it work.


The main facets of the system are
1.Readers use such phrases as “I think . . .” (or “I don't think . . .”). This is a way of “trying on” a guess for acceptance.  
2.Readers simply ask for direct, factual information from the sitter which they say is a way to “help along” the process. The sitter is usually very willing to help.  
3.Readers often say that they cannot differentiate between past, present, and future events and relationships, so that there are many more possibilities for “hits.”  
4.Wide ranging of the sitter's imagination is not only expected by the mediums, but is encouraged. Sitters are told to be creative and try to make the reading fit.  
5.There is a willing, eager collusion between the medium and the sitter, even if largely unconscious on the part of the sitter.


Cold reading isn't necessarily learned in a series of lessons. Though classes in “spiritual development” are sometimes offered by mediums and are understood, both by teacher and students, to have been designed to enhance their awareness of the survival-after-death philosophy, the lessons seem also to instruct the learners in how to extract certainties out of ambiguity. For example, trying to guess a word sealed in an envelope, students are encouraged to discover relationships between obscure ramblings and the word itself. A notion about walking down a road, for example, might be said to correctly relate to the concealed word “success” because “everyone seeks a path to success, and a path is a sort of road.” The words used are always general in nature (success, peace, happiness, sadness, longing, searching) rather than more definitive words like cat, hammer, Germany, or coffee.
Most proficiency at cold reading is obtained by observing old masters of the trade and by trial and error. By looking over the reading that is recorded in Appendix I of this encyclopedia, an actual transcript from a tape recording of a thirty-minute professional reading wherein most of the procedures outlined here have been used, the reader can begin to understand the techniques. The methods of probing and backing up, laughing away failures and turning them into forgivable boo-boos, getting around long pauses in which the sitter fails to volunteer needed information, and blaming errors on the “poor spiritual wavelengths” all become clear with a little study.

 

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You can see him getting into character.  I've heard people on mic talk really fast like that in chats, one person in particular that is nearly out of breath.  My assumption has always been that person was lying because they were. lol  Same as in the video when he first starts out.  I don't think that the dead are always around us, it would be getting awfully crowded, wouldn't it?  What about ex-husbands and ex-wives, people you hate... none of that has ever come out of a reading that I've seen done by one of these types.  The only resolution I've ever seen is when the person getting the reading is absolved of guilt they might be feeling from the person's death.  

I'd say hoaxer.  There's a woman who also does this, I forgot her name, she seems much better at it than this guy.  I think she was from Florida, but not sure. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Cinnamon said:

 There's a woman who also does this, I forgot her name, she seems much better at it than this guy.  I think she was from Florida, but not sure. 

 

This one? - 

In South Africa we have thousands of these "healers" they profess to be able to do almost anything.  Some hand out flyers at traffic lights some even have a website: http://www.professorsrigalangulu.co.za/  This fool does not even know what Shiva is - probably just heard the word from some Hindu fella and made-up his own story.  The website is a hoot, yet there are hundreds of people who use their grocery money to get "advice".. People are gullible and this trait is almost always exploited by these "psychics" or are thy psychotics? 

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Go to the 1 min. mark, yeh that's her Faulk. lol 

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Holy sh!t!  Just those nails would make me take a step back.  She tries to intimidate the "victims" - I know a guy who takes these psychics for a run-around every time by playing a game with them with totally bogus info and answers. They are as fake as fake can be!

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If you are real, you never ask questions.

If you are real, you have all the answers.

If you are real, you are never wrong... ever!

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@Cryptic Mole  I would imagine that if someone could really talk to the dead (if such an act was at all possible) he would have no reason to ask silly leading questions which are covered in speculation.

I would imagine that the dead people who knew me before their departure would be well equipped to give him / her / it all the relevant information about me without fail.

The funny thing is that I have seen devout Christians who hang onto every word this fool says. That action is in total paradox with the Christian belief system where a departed soul is no longer here but far removed from this realm or dimension, yet their emotional state and feeling of guilt (mostly) drive them to believe this nonsense rather than their religious teachings.  Humans are gullible and driven by emotions more than anything else.  When you are filled with emotion and driven by a sense of guilt you are an open book for these (as you rightly say) Snake Oil Salesmen!

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I know there is one person here on this forum who has this ability, but that person never talks about it.

That person is real, and that person knows that I know this about them.

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25 minutes ago, FalkeAuge said:

@Cryptic Mole  I would imagine that if someone could really talk to the dead (if such an act was at all possible) he would have no reason to ask silly leading questions which are covered in speculation.

I would imagine that the dead people who knew me before their departure would be well equipped to give him / her / it all the relevant information about me without fail.

The funny thing is that I have seen devout Christians who hang onto every word this fool says. That action is in total paradox with the Christian belief system where a departed soul is no longer here but far removed from this realm or dimension, yet their emotional state and feeling of guilt (mostly) drive them to believe this nonsense rather than their religious teachings.  Humans are gullible and driven by emotions more than anything else.  When you are filled with emotion and driven by a sense of guilt you are an open book for these (as you rightly say) Snake Oil Salesmen!

 
 

There is no communication between the living and the dead except when someone is passing and in transit to the next life beyond this one. Some would quickly point out Lazarus and the rich man, but that was only a metaphor and/or parable.

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2 hours ago, Cryptic Mole said:

I know there is one person here on this forum who has this ability, but that person never talks about it.

I suppose that you are talking about the "real" ability, not the ability to lead others astray.

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